Hope Mangiafico (00:00)
Okay, Nikki, we just finished an episode about MAT people and when we might need to be shifting and transitioning away from the people that have been our people since we can basically remember. And how do we do that? How do we approach it with the father? And as we wrapped up the end, I mentioned in the end of the episode, like I felt this like settling. Like it's funny because you're like, I had an outro. And it's like, but there was a settling that happened that was like.
Nikki (00:25)
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Hope Mangiafico (00:28)
That was good, ladies. We hit the nail on the head, ladies. I am moving, ladies, and I just I felt that so strongly.
Nikki (00:36)
Yes. It was a s it was a settling and a slowly unplug. Like we say in these overflows, sometimes it's just like and we're like, ooh, we're done. But this was just like it was like the Holy Spirit was just like you're done.
Hope Mangiafico (00:41)
Wait.
Yeah.
Ugh, yeah. my gosh. And I felt healing for us, healing for other people. And I mentioned at the beginning of the episode, and it's even more than just who your people are, but holistically, I feel transitioning happening for people in relationships, as well as like we were sharing our personal little nuggets about our journaling and our walk with the father.
He's transitioning us in our hearts to prepare us for something new. And we don't know what the next is. We don't know what it is. All I know is we're walking through a threshold into a transition from more. And we have to choose are we going to align with it or not? And people make up that equation for that journey for us.
Nikki (01:37)
They make up that that journey and it's we we forget this 'cause we are earthly people. God has our people lined up for us.
Hope Mangiafico (01:48)
Right.
Nikki (01:50)
I like to just imagine like my sacred imagination. Like he's got these people and he's like, go now, move, pray, praise, celebrate for each one of us. Cause I'm God's favorite. Hope's God's favorite. You listening and watching, you're God's favorite. He has the people. He has the hype squad. He has the
Matt people, he has the comforters, he has everything lined up for us. But if we he's such a good father, if we're just complicit in who we stay around and who we surround ourselves with and who we let chirp into our ear and who we let whose thoughts we let take root.
He sends those people, but we block them. It's like the shield of faith, you know, it's so big. It's like those Roman swords. It goes above the top of our head and covers the bottom of our feet. Like we're just blocking, we're just hiding. Cause we're afraid of what other people are gonna think, what this person's gonna say, what other people how they're gonna judge us if we let go of this friend. But it's like God's ready to minister to all of our needs, our wants, our desires with people.
'Cause we are built for community. But if we choose to hang on to our safe four corners, we're we're missing it. We're missing those other people he has.
And like we said in the episodes, even if it's just for our look, even if it's just for a word of encouragement, we can block those two because we're so busy trying to be a peacekeeper, a people pleaser, a a group leader, that we we miss all the beautiful goodness of what God has all around.
Hope Mangiafico (03:43)
And that's where full circle moment to the episode, we gotta take responsibility of owning that man, we have blocked goodness. Yes.
Nikki (03:51)
And we have to repent.
Hope Mangiafico (03:55)
And you know, again, more recently in conversations with people has been this conversation about repent, repenting, I should say, and in the levels of sin, you know, like sometimes I think it's just like these outward acts, but you and I know in our journey, the things I'm repenting for these days are that so deep in me, in the secret place that no one else knows. And that's where the freedom is.
And so I want to reiterate that because one, that was like our second or third episode of our podcast because it's that important. And then we talked about in the episode. Nikki just brought it back up. And a theme I'm seeing, not all the time, so I'm not trying to make a blanket statement, but something through c conversation, is some people still see repenting and sin as outward actions, which is part of it, but they stem from what's inside.
And that's what you're you're repenting for is the coveting, the jealousy, the bitterness, the fear, the ⁓ dependency on someone. It's that inside that you're repenting for. Remember that. And it's not because you suck, it's not because you're a sin being, it's not because you're imperfect, it's because that's something that you just chose.
And all he wants you to do is repent and uproot it so you got the space that you're no longer blocking for the goodness that he has. It's that simple and it's that freeing. It's not that you suck.
Nikki (05:36)
Have to remember the number one relationship in our life should be with God. And I'm talking to me right now. I get it twisted all the time. All the time. And right now I'm in a season where that relationship has to be number one. It has to be solid. It has to be relational. I it's you know.
God's not a magic genie. He's not going to make everything okay. I need to sit back. I need to listen. I need to take the holy correction. And if we have that relationship, our relationship with God, and He's like our number one mat holder, like he's already, he's got a corner. Nobody else is ever taking that corner. Like that's God's corner. Back off, sister. That's his. It's going to help us recognize those healthy people.
in our lives and move them closer to us. Let allow them to pick up a corner of the mat. And it's also going to pinpoint the people that maybe need a boundary, maybe need to step away from a little bit, maybe need some distance from them. But if we don't have that one relationship in a good place, how can we spec expect any of our other relationships to be in a good place?
Hope Mangiafico (06:57)
Amen. That reminds me of like ⁓ the when we did our episode about ⁓ what was it about with the table? Like room is the room for me at the table? I'm trying to remember what the episode's called.
Nikki (07:08)
Let's
Hope Mangiafico (07:10)
But the something you shared in that episode is like making sure there's room for you and Jesus at the table you're entering. This is the same concept with a completely different application. But everything we said in the episode about what God is telling you, where he's leading you for healing, what he's speaking over you, if that person will not agree, there's not room at the table for you and Jesus, then that's how you know that that is not a current Matt person. So it I don't know, I I saw that as a really nice
sacred imagination visual of like, can we squeeze both in the table? Cause if not, then that's your answer right there.
Because he's always one of your corner holders. So I love that. and sometimes we get it twisted 'cause we think someone is a Christian or they claim, you know, Jesus as their savior, that they are making room for you and him at the table. But the catch of everything we're sharing is do they believe in what he's telling you?
Nikki (07:48)
Mm-hmm. That's right.
Hope Mangiafico (08:10)
Two very different things. And not even they don't have to be in agreement, but are they believing on your behalf? It's like this necklace says joyful intercession. It's kind of similar. Well, they joyfully intercede for you even if they're not it, they don't understand
Nikki (08:15)
No.
