Nikki (00:00)
What if the people currently carrying your mat are actually keeping you from your healing? In our last episode, we talked about the power of having mat people, the friends who push us through obstacles to get you to Jesus. But today we're having a harder conversation. What happens when you realize the people holding the corners of your mat are pulling in the wrong direction? What
Hope Mangiafico (00:03)
Hmm.
Okay.
Nikki (00:27)
Happens when they discourage your growth, keep you tied to old versions of yourself, or subtly pull you away from healing instead of towards it. Today
we're talking about the courage to reevaluate your circle, why some relationships are seasonal, how to release guilt, and why your healing may depend on changing who's holding the corners of your mat. Because you can't get to the roof if you're mat people.
Hope Mangiafico (00:42)
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Nikki (00:57)
Are afraid to climb.
Hi, I'm Nikki.
Hope Mangiafico (01:01)
Hi, I'm Hope. Welcome to Equipped Fellowship, where friends become family through Christ. We are two Jesus-loving friends on a mission to share personal stories, resources, and real talk about our triumphs, breakthroughs, struggles, and setbacks. Why? Because we believe you are called to live victoriously, and we're here to equip you with Holy Spirit-led tools and strategies to strengthen your faith, transform your mindset, and walk boldly in God's promises. Because here's the truth,
You have been given great and precious promises by God. So grab your coffee, lean in, and let's grow together. It's time to step into everything God has for you.
Nikki (01:41)
⁓ I'm red hot to get into this episode today because the last episode we talked about the story in Mark II, the paralyzed man whose four friends carried him to Jesus. They climbed the roof, they dug through it, they lowered him down, and Jesus saw their faith. We talked about how important it is to have met people in your life. The people who carry you when you're weak.
Hope Mangiafico (01:54)
Hmm.
Nikki (02:10)
Tell you the truth, push you towards Jesus, and refuse to
Hope Mangiafico (02:14)
Yeah.
Nikki (02:15)
leave you stuck. But maybe after that episode, you started doing your own audit. Maybe you started looking at the people holding your corners of your mat. And maybe you felt a little check in your spirit, not condemnation, not judgment, but conviction from the Holy Father.
Hope Mangiafico (02:24)
. you
Nikki (02:41)
Maybe you realize some people around you don't actually want your healing, what's best for you. Or maybe they're pushing you away from Jesus instead
of towards Jesus. They want your familiarity, your dependency, the smaller version of you. And today we want to talk about that transition. Because changing your circle of your MAP people can be painful.
Hope Mangiafico (02:54)
Okay.
Nikki (03:10)
It can be and quite frankly, lonely. I've been there. But sometimes God has to shift who's holding your corners of your mat
Hope Mangiafico (03:20)
you
Nikki (03:21)
to get you to where he's calling you.
Hope Mangiafico (03:26)
You're talking about how you're like fired up about this and I am too because over the past couple of weeks this has been a constant conversation with multiple people and I'm like, look, what are you doing? You're like putting us all in this transition and we're all feeling this tension. It's like, how do I do this? I'm scared. In some of the conversations it's shown up as like fear because you're thinking about
this matte purse and this friendship from the past when they showed up, right? The history you've built, but we're not in the past anymore, you know? And I have already planted the seed for this episode weeks ago to people.
is not, but I cannot wait for you to hear it. And I'm so excited because everyone seems to be noticing corners are fraying. That's the best way to put it. And it's where they're starting to notice that shift, like I mentioned, the tension. The separation is starting either intentionally or by God's supernatural hand. But
I don't know, what I notice is like conversations start to slow down, the commonalities start to not really be there anymore. Again, you're building on the history and ⁓ all that you really have in common is saying, we've been friends for so long and you've got that history. And you also find that you're using the ways they showed up in the past for you to rationalize them as a carrier. And I know I'm kind of like
like I'm repeating myself because I think that is the number one hook that keeps people stuck. And it keeps coming out of my mouth because I hope it's landing on everyone because that's kept me stuck before.
Nikki (05:09)
Yes.
absolutely. I can think of people right now. I guess like maybe that's your check in your spirit. And it's painful when you realize that somebody you used to be so close to is not your person anymore.
Hope Mangiafico (05:20)
Me too!
Yeah.
And you hinted at that in the intro about the pain. And, you know, we want comfort, we want safety, that's part of being human. And so we stay because that pain is scary. And even before jumping any further into the conversation, as Nikki planted the seed of like, man, she's been there and I have been there, and we both can think of people right now and conversations and history and all of that, like, the pain is worth it.
because he is such a good father and we'll dive more into this later, but we need to plant this in the beginning that it's worth it, that he has your best interest and theirs in mind.
And the reason being, as I continue thinking about the corners fraying, is when the corner's starting to fray, the person that was holding a corner isn't casting a vision. There's no encouragement anymore. It's literally like they can't, again, you've planted the seed for this, they can't see where God is calling you. don't even believe in the healing. They don't believe what the Father's telling you and you're like,
Well, you're in a state of confusion. And what they do instead, I'm gonna raise two hands up, because I was seeking this for long time, they validate your poor beliefs and they complain all the time.
Nikki (06:59)
They love that. They love when you're not winning. That's a red flag. When your friends like you more when you're losing instead of winning and gaining freedom from the father, you better, you better check yourself, friend, because I've been there too. And you're like, you want people to come along on the ride, the freedom ride, right?
You don't want them to be you'd like, come on, like I did it, come on. And they're like, no, and that tension. And that's what causes the frame, the coming apart. You were so
Hope Mangiafico (07:33)
Yes. Yes.
Yes.
Nikki (07:39)
in sync so bound to each other and you slowly just start pulling apart.
Hope Mangiafico (07:46)
Man, and to compliment that, There is this beauty in a friendship where you are not dependent on each other but you support, but sometimes the fraying happens because you've become too intertwined. And the father knows that's not healthy because now you're dependent on that person.
had to mention that because there's this oneness that we can become with someone that is very, very,
Nikki (08:11)
Yes. And we have to remember the only one we can be that closely intertwined with is God the Father. That's it. Anything else is really a sin against him.
Hope Mangiafico (08:22)
Amen. Against you and you alone, Father, have I sinned, as David would say. Yes. Oh, and it breaks his heart because he's like, I gave you this person to help you, to carry you, and you sucked right into them. And now they're your everything, which is why we're in so much pain in the fraying and the separation is because of our dependency.
Nikki (08:25)
Yeah. Yeah.
Hope Mangiafico (08:48)
Woof! So that happens.
Nikki (08:54)
All right. So when this happens, this dependency, these red flags show up, these aha moments, the conviction from the Holy Spirit, that's when sometimes God asks us to do a holy exchange. And we talked about this way back in episode 27. And it's a skill, it's a tool, it's a resource that we can use time and time again with the Father.
Hope Mangiafico (09:02)
Yeah.
Nikki (09:24)
Because sometimes during this type of holy exchange, we have to trade unhealthy dependency, performance-based
connection, fear-based attachment for God-ordained community. So we need to give up those things when it's painful, when we're convicted, when we are knowing that we're holding on to this relationship too tightly, that we need to open our hands to unravel it, to fray the corners, to lead room.
For God to come in and minister to us. And to either, maybe sometimes that's isolation,
Hope Mangiafico (09:56)
Yeah.
Mm.
Nikki (10:00)
like we said, sometimes it's alone time, sometimes He's gonna bring other people to us. But when we stay blocked and when we stay covered and when we stay stuck in these relationships that are no longer working, we are blocking God's goodness. We're blocking his voice and we're blocking what's next.
for us. So that's when we, for lack of a better term, we have to exchange the yuck for the good. And I'm not calling these people yucky because there's still some of them still might have a purpose in our life. But we need to create boundaries, distance for them.
Hope Mangiafico (10:29)
No, no,
Ugh, they're still children of God. a way I've been phrasing it is it's not like you said, it's not that they're the problem, it's what's operating in them. So it's whatever sin they've come in agreement with, the bitterness they're holding, the jealousy, the envy, all of that is the yuck you're escaping. It's not them. God says, I see their heart. I see who I've called them to be. But right now they're choosing this other route and I need to protect you, Hope.
Nikki (10:57)
Okay.
Hope Mangiafico (11:08)
I need to protect you, Nikki. I'm gonna work on them. And you, will you let me?
Nikki (11:09)
Mm-hmm.
And it comes back. We've talked about this in episodes in the past is pruning. Sometimes you need to prune these people for your life to come back to either come back together and produce fruit together or separately. Pruning always has a purpose. It could be painful. Again, it can be isolating. Hope said this earlier. We're going to be repeating a lot of these things because they're true. And we don't want to say like,
Hope Mangiafico (11:27)
Yeah.
Nikki (11:39)
You're gonna prune these people and everything's gonna be hunky dory. Like there's gonna be a moment in the pruning in this painful process where you just have to sit to the Lord with the Lord and have him minister to your heart for direction.
Hope Mangiafico (11:49)
Yeah.
Yes, and we are repeating but you know as you said that I'm like well the reason we're so repetitive is if you had to rank assist like ⁓ rank values, the father, the whole godheads, number one, under that's people in your life. So we're repetitive because we talk all about the father, all about Jesus, all about Holy Spirit in this podcast all the time. That next level is people, it's community.
Nikki (12:03)
Mm-hmm.
Hope Mangiafico (12:21)
So we have to emphasize these key parts because that is the kingdom. It's people. And how we steward that.
It's almost like life or death because we're either becoming more like the father in his design for us or we're going in the opposite direction. There's no stagnancy.
Nikki (12:40)
Yeah. And I I put a note in this and I I circled it because this must have really stood out to me. But real matte people provide safety and security. Now, when I say that, don't get it twisted. I also want them to challenge you and to push you and to motivate you and to call you out with a holy correction when you need it. But the underlying
Hope Mangiafico (12:42)
Hmm.
Yes.
Nikki (13:09)
Number one emotion that you should be feeling with these people is safety. If it's anxiety, if it's stress, if it's fear, if it causes you to wake up in the middle of the night reeling, that those are not your people. People in
Hope Mangiafico (13:26)
Yeah.
Nikki (13:28)
your life that you choose to pull in close, you should feel safety around. Period.
Hope Mangiafico (13:35)
Yes. so, and like, I have noticed that when that fraying starts to happen, there's a little bit of fear that starts to come in. And fear and safety don't, they don't work together. Like you get afraid of what they're gonna say, how they're gonna react.
And that's like a big red flag of like, okay, it's time for holy exchange. I feel it. Because one, you go to the father and ask why you're afraid. Maybe it's something in you. But the other reason is that unhealthy dynamic and you no longer feel safe with them. And I've been getting the term like a symbiotic relationship a lot lately, which makes me think of like science from like middle school. it is like the right healthy relationship is that equal give and take that like
Nikki (14:06)
Yeah.
Hope Mangiafico (14:27)
full circle moment, like rotating who's on the mat. In the last episode we ended up like, well what if you're on the mat, right? Versus me and a corner holder, like a healthy relationship, you rotate. Because you trust them to hold your corner and they trust you.
Nikki (14:44)
Yes. Yeah. And that unraveling, like you said, have you ever had like a string on a shirt and you pull it and you think it's just gonna pull out?
Hope Mangiafico (14:54)
Pffff-
Up the arm! Into the armpit!
Nikki (14:56)
Yes.
It can start slow at first, right? But with the father's help, he can
Help you not get rid of, because we're not saying get rid of these people necessarily, but unravel God's truth in this. The more we say stuck in our own wounded patterns of why we chose this person, it feels familiar. It's it's what we've always known. It's like we've loved them once. We think we should always love them. They were a close friend once. They were here. They brought us soup when we were sick. They helped us when we were down. Like
Hope Mangiafico (15:20)
Okay.
Nikki (15:32)
All these things like God's like rip through that. We are through that. We're not replaying the mixtape again. We're not rewinding and going forward. Like,
based on how you are feeling right now. Is this person safe? Sh should they be in your life? Is this someone that you would want, you know, even if you don't have kids? Like, is this something you'd want around your child to be an example to them?
Hope Mangiafico (15:59)
That's a great example. You don't even have to have kids do that because we're children of God and we're supposed to be childlike. So we need to protect.
Nikki (15:59)
If it is no, then it's a no for you two. Sorry. Yeah.
Right.
Yes. Yes. Would we push little hope or little Nikki towards this person or would we pull them behind us and protect?
Hope Mangiafico (16:09)
our child likeness.
That is so good and I love that you referenced the mixtape because a lot of times in these episodes we reference it as like choices we made and the guilt and the shame but this is actually what we would deem a good mixtape if we didn't have the discernment of Holy Spirit.
Nikki (16:25)
Okay.
be like a highlight reel. Like this was
Hope Mangiafico (16:36)
Ooh, we know from social media, highlight reels aim the true story. This is good. I like it. I feel, I feel fire. That's so good. And you know, that goes really well. You already kind of segued into like why we stay with wrong people, but that plays into conversations we've had many times on the podcast of guilt and false obligation backed by good sounding truth.
but that's complete baloney for lack of a better term. And so I would encourage listeners to, if they're like wrestling with that tension right now, to go listen to the guilt and shame episode. you need to unravel that if you're feeling stuck, because you're going to keep staying stuck if you keep carrying that guilt and false belief.
Nikki (17:25)
And sometimes we stay with the wrong people because other people encourage us to. Have you ever felt that hope? Like a family member or another friend is just like, but yeah, you know, you know, they were so good. They just give them another chance. Like they're working on it.
Hope Mangiafico (17:42)
Let's talk about the Christian belief of grace.
Nikki (17:45)
Right. That's what I'm saying. Like they're just saying another chance. Like it's okay. They're working on their God stuff. And like if you just leave now.
Hope Mangiafico (17:47)
I know!
You're gonna ruin their life. and break their back.
Nikki (17:56)
you're gonna be a bad
example. That's how Christians get a bad rap about
Hope Mangiafico (18:01)
girl, we could talk about this all day because every good truth that the father has a perversion, that's been taught and kept us stuck. And that is one.
Nikki (18:09)
Right.
Yeah. That's the one percent lie. Ninety nine percent true. The one per
Hope Mangiafico (18:15)
Amen.
Nikki (18:17)
And the enemy will use it every time he can.
Hope Mangiafico (18:17)
there.
Oh, and it's such an easy hook. And I have found the 99 % versus the 1%. The 99 % of truth is because you are kind. You are in the image of God. So you believe this is how I'm supposed to do it because I do love, I do care, and that 1 % is the enemy taking advantage of your character.
Nikki (18:44)
Yes.
Mm-hmm. And we don't want to disappoint people. We don't want to seem out of care.
Hope Mangiafico (18:47)
And that's very, yeah.
right. But that's called a boundary. And so sometimes, I did not have this as a note, we stay with the wrong people because we haven't practiced boundaries. And that takes like titration, you know, it's you don't need to just straight up cut off. But you do little by little, you need to like, make some, I don't know, not walls, you call them gates, which I like, like shift them and maneuver them.
Nikki (19:04)
Right.
That's right.
Right.
Hope Mangiafico (19:23)
without
shock value. You don't want to shock them,
Nikki (19:27)
Yes. And it leads
them to new people, new resources, new community for themselves too.
Hope Mangiafico (19:35)
I'm not even doing a tr-
Nikki (19:35)
You have to stand
up for yourself in those moments, not be mean, not be belligerent, not be cocky. But if you know, and you've already brought this to your father the father, God, and he confirms that this person needs a boundary, some space, distance, time, whatever he is you tell that told you, you confidently tell these people, I've spent a lot of time with God and this is
Hope Mangiafico (19:55)
Mm.
Nikki (20:05)
what I feel the direction he wants me to go. And I'm here to tell you that yes, if this person ever reaches out to me personally in needs something for me, I'm gonna bring it to God and ask if I should move. But if it's a no or if he points me in to give another resource or direction or whatever, I'm gonna do it. But I only move when God tells me to, not when other people like you are trying to force me.
Hope Mangiafico (20:19)
Yeah.
Nikki (20:33)
to do something.
Hope Mangiafico (20:35)
Yeah. Wonderful example.
Wonderful example and you know you're that's that's in the conversation of boundaries and that leads me to thinking like one reason we have that struggle of practicing of the perfect example you just gave is that fear of what life will look like without them when you finally set those boundaries because sometimes we have the false belief that they are safe because they're familiar and You know, we've kind of already covered all this but then there's that false belief that it's a safety thing. So what is
Nikki (20:42)
Yeah.
Hope Mangiafico (21:07)
What is it gonna look like when things shift? Even that 1 % shift, even if it's not a full removal, it's scary to think about what that transition looks like. And so we don't create those boundaries. We don't say the straight four thing you just gave so beautifully.
Nikki (21:25)
And that's why when we start to release these corners, we want to gently release them. And this is so important. We're not talking about becoming cold, harsh, self righteous. This isn't I am better than so and so, and that's why this person is not going to be holding my corner. This is wisdom. Again, we're referring a lot of episodes in this episode because everything we do builds upon the same foundation, God's biblical foundation.
Hope Mangiafico (21:25)
scared.
Yes.
Nikki (21:55)
Word foundation. And that episode talked about peacekeeping versus peacemaking. Now, reminder for those of you who listened and maybe forgot, or those who didn't listen or watch, peacekeeping avoids discomfort. Peacemaking per pursues truth and health. Peacekeeping says
Hope Mangiafico (22:12)
Yeah.
Nikki (22:21)
I'll stay quiet so nobody gets upset.
Peacemaking says I need to acknowledge what's unhealthy. And sometimes this requires uncomfortable honesty.
And you have to, when this happens, do you want to be a key peacekeeper or a peacemaker? And that's when you have to again bring it to the Father, the power of the pause. Take a holy time out and go to your Jesus corner before making the dress this decision. Pause, step back, zoom out, and pray. God, are these the right people for me in this season?
Hope Mangiafico (22:33)
Yeah.
Nikki (23:03)
Is this pull person pulling me closer to you or is it pulling me backwards? What's going on with this person, God? I don't know what's happening. Give me some clarification. Tell me what to do.
Hope Mangiafico (23:17)
And when you do that, I had this as a note to compliment your statement. After you do that, you must act. So that's like, that was big to me. Like you must act because now you have the answer. You have the solution. You have the freedom. You gotta move.
Nikki (23:36)
You've gotta move and you wanna you know, be a peacemaker. Make the peace.
Hope Mangiafico (23:41)
Yeah, that's restoration. It's actual restoration. Forcing a Frenchman that's not meant to still be as close as it once was is not restoration. We think restoration is a bringing together. Kingdom of God is upside down sometimes.
Nikki (23:56)
Right. Right. Yes. Peacekeeping
is a yucky feeling. When you are the peacekeeper and you're trying to keep everybody happy, so no one gets upset, so the group stays whole. Ever that is
Hope Mangiafico (24:12)
You exhausted.
don't know how I know that.
Nikki (24:15)
Exhausted, tired, worried, anxiety. So much anxiety. So much anxiety. So much erratic thoughts, like you can't even think straight. Like you just what was that? What was that? What do I do? Ha
Hope Mangiafico (24:22)
Hmm.
Because at the end of the day, you're responsible for one person, but you've decided to be responsible for multiple, and none of us can carry the responsibility of multiple people, except for your child. And God gives you the supernatural ability to care for a child. That's your only other person you're supposed to be able to like, carry on your shoulders. That's all you have the ability to do.
Nikki (24:44)
Yeah.
Mm. Yeah.
That's right.
Hope Mangiafico (24:53)
So that means you have to take responsibility for those choices that you have made and you get to choose.
Nikki (25:01)
Yes.
That's what I wrote I wrote a note here about taking holy responsibility.
Hope Mangiafico (25:07)
Hmm, yeah.
Nikki (25:08)
And taking a holy responsibility is, and I've heard a lot of this lately in my healing process and my journaling with God, it's like as soon as God imparts something to you, as soon as you get the clear direction, it's your holy responsible to act on it immediately. Not later, not next week, not when it's convenient, not when the person's in a better mood. It's your holy responsibility to take that nugget and go.
Hope Mangiafico (25:26)
Correct, exactly.
Yeah.
Nikki (25:37)
And he's got you. If he gave you that nugget, he's gonna be with you through the whole thing.
Hope Mangiafico (25:42)
And as a, so once you get the download and you choose and you act immediately, there is one part of that that has been something showing up in my journal a lot lately is taking responsibility for the choosing, for the latching, for the hanging on. So repenting. Yes, that's a big part of it because you are responsible for those choices you made to stay. It is not, this has been a theme.
Nikki (25:58)
Yes. you have to repent. Yes. Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Hope Mangiafico (26:10)
that the Lord has worked on me for years now. As many times I tried to blame the other person for latching on to me. Why they be latching? It ain't just because they broken.
Nikki (26:20)
And here's another thing that I've been working on. We're just doing all the secrets right now. Once you release somebody, do not gossip, do not murmur, do not bring that person up in any way whatsoever to anybody else. Unless you need to like discuss something with God the Father and you let it out then. But it's not our, it's not God's way.
To release somebody and then gossip about all the bad things they did to you. Murmur, rumblings, any of that. We have got to stop that.
Hope Mangiafico (26:59)
so that said, how do we find the Four after all this chaos? How do we do it?
Nikki (27:07)
The good news is coming,
people.
Hope Mangiafico (27:09)
Yes, because there's always good news. And I think part of that is the grace of God that it's not one big re-haul. It's not one big clean the slate start over. It's that little tiny 1 % change. There's no, again, I said it earlier, no shock value. No like, Like, he's gentle.
He's ready to show up.
Mmm, he's so good.
Nikki (27:34)
Yeah, and sometimes healing just starts with one person. You don't have to look for four. If you have none now, or you had to get rid of all four or all 50 or whatever, start sometimes healing just starts with one person, one conversation, one honest friendship, one person who just sprinkles a little Jesus into your life. And you like, ⁓ like that felt good. It doesn't have to be big and massive and all at once.
Hope Mangiafico (27:38)
Yes.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Nikki (28:05)
Sometimes it's just one person, one conversation. Just sometimes eye contact with somebody at church. Have you ever just like looked at somebody and they just like, they look at you and you're just filled with the peace of the Holy Spirit and you're just like, whoa.
Hope Mangiafico (28:21)
Absolutely. Connection and.
Nikki (28:22)
Connection.
Hope Mangiafico (28:25)
And, you know, as humans we forget the value in how God works, that it is a step-by-step process. So, like, that eye connection, for example, that was a first step. Will they reintroduce? Was that it? I don't know, but it doesn't matter. Because it's a one moment by moment thing.
Nikki (28:33)
Mm. Yeah.
Okay.
Right. Yeah. And maybe that planted a seed for something two years down the line. And you're just like, Yeah, I remember you. You're at church and I was this I was just going through it. And you looked at me and I just felt such such peace and compassion. I felt the Holy Spirit move and that was awesome. And like here we are today.
Hope Mangiafico (29:05)
Yeah. ⁓ it's so good. And that's like becomes a beautiful full circle moment and you're filled with so much joy and gratitude and like together you get to like share and that specialness. And that's his plan. That's his design, which I love. Which kind of makes me think about one of the things
that stood out to me about finding your corner holders, your map people, is seeing how they honor you, how they talk to you. It's like a full circle moment back to your intro about like, they pushing you towards the healing? Are they believing the same things? But you can tell in how someone converses, do they have honor for you? So like, talk about the eye contact with someone. When you feel that, you're like, ooh, I feel valued without any words.
Nikki (29:37)
Mm.
Hope Mangiafico (29:59)
You can, you conversing is absolutely a means of connection, but it doesn't have to be. You can feel that honoring in different body languages.
And I have a question for you in this section.
One of the other thoughts I had is like seeking wisdom from people that you honor, people that you see in healthy community already. I have not actually like reached out to someone to inquire about that ever, but I can see how from afar I've observed pieces of someone's healthy community and then I go to the father and I just ask him questions like what are they doing differently? Fill in the blanks, you know, do you have any?
stories like that or anything that comes to mind.
Nikki (30:45)
I think for me I used to
see people's community and wanna be in their community. And right now I'm at a point in my life where God's like, maybe that's your community too, but maybe not. Are you I'm gonna show you what it's going to be. And so I think going to other people besides God right now is is not what I wanna be doing.
Hope Mangiafico (31:13)
I understand that. Yeah. Right.
Nikki (31:14)
personally because sometimes I covet people what
they have and you know I'm not even supposed to be in that room.
Hope Mangiafico (31:27)
Totally,
totally.
Nikki (31:30)
And maybe if I am, then I will get there on my own. Not just saying in my own strength or own power, but just by yes.
Hope Mangiafico (31:37)
his timing for you. Yeah.
And as I'm asked you, as I asked you that question, I'm like, well, Hope, what's also interesting about that is we can't define healthy just by observation. We have to ask the father what's healthy for us individually, which is exactly what you just defined for yourself. just really, really important. And so that's kind of that added thing of like finding the four that just came to me is ask him what's healthy for you.
Nikki (31:56)
Yeah.
Yeah, what is healthy for me and how do I find it?
Hope Mangiafico (32:10)
Yeah, exactly. That's good.
Nikki (32:14)
'Cause I don't wanna chase people, things, community if that's not right for me, 'cause I've done that for fifty two years.
And I'm tired of doing that.
Hope Mangiafico (32:26)
Yeah, that's good. Wow. I like feel settling as we just like landed there. That is interesting. That is a wild feeling that I'm feeling. ⁓ That's beautiful. I feel like that's like all our key, our key points.
Nikki (32:33)
Yes.
I mean, well that'll do it? Maybe.
Hope Mangiafico (32:49)
feel
like I think that'll do it. Oh, God, that's so good. Wow. So, it's very evident as we wrap this episode up, that not every friend is a matte person for every season. Today, we worked on bringing clarity on the why, the how, then like how you can stay healthy in every season.
Nikki (32:53)
Yeah.
Hope Mangiafico (33:13)
by letting him define the healthy in your season. Because here's the thing, you'll always need people to hold your corners. So pause and ask the Lord, what does healthy look like right now? And begin listening to him and following him. And you're gonna have a beautiful set of corner holders.
Nikki (33:34)
Right. Amen.
Hope Mangiafico (33:36)
See you in the overflow.
