Hope Mangiafico (00:00)
I'm Hope.
Nikki Humphrey (00:01)
Hi, I'm Nikki. Welcome to Equip Fellowship, where friends become family through Christ. We're two Jesus-loving friends on mission to share personal stories, resources, and real talk about our triumphs, breakthroughs, struggles, and setbacks. Why? Because we believe you are called to live victoriously, and we are here to equip you with Holy Spirit-led tools and strategies to strengthen your faith, transform your mindset,
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Hope Mangiafico (00:40)
Hi.
I absolutely love changing our intro sometimes just based off like something we've said beforehand or whatever the topic's gonna be so yes got a little little tea and it is well with my soul ⁓ mug and you know I feel that I can confidently say that today and that is a really good feeling you know some days you don't feel like you can ⁓ your inner self is ⁓
struggling and that leads really well to today's topic of talking about the concept of self, I guess is the best summary and kind of the different perspectives of it, right? The good, the bad, the ugly, all of the, all the above.
Nikki Humphrey (01:30)
Yes. When you gave me the title of this, like the good and the bad and the ugly, I actually wrote out those words. And I'm like, God, what is good? What is bad? And what is ugly in my life right now? And I was like, ooh, when you ask, you shall receive, right?
Hope Mangiafico (01:39)
Really? He showed you s-
That's incredible that you did that. Is there anything that you're comfortable sharing?
Nikki Humphrey (02:02)
Yes, so we'll start with good and then maybe you can answer the question too. So I asked, what is good right now? And he said, you are doing a good job serving and uplifting others, especially in the end of this six week job that just wrapped up for me. Like I felt like that was really good ⁓ in order to do that.
Hope Mangiafico (02:19)
Mm.
Nikki Humphrey (02:31)
leads back to some other episodes. like, you know, God, where do you want me? And he placed me there. And I feel good that he said that I did a good job. He also said, what is good right now, Nikki, is your ability to self-check yourself and have those real time convictions.
Hope Mangiafico (02:45)
Hmm Hmm
Nikki Humphrey (02:54)
And so that was good ⁓ for me. And I laugh as I'm looking down at the bad and the ugly.
Yes, it is.
Hope Mangiafico (03:03)
That's
funny. man, okay. Yeah, so I did not ask the father about that and like individually, ⁓ but I will on the fly Seek the father and answer so I will say for the good. ⁓ when this title came up I had briefly mentioned to you kind of what God was doing in my heart and
It still brings me like a lot of emotion because I finally let down some really big things. I shouldn't say let down. It's like I finally understood that I am not my accomplishments and like I looked up in Strong's Concordance. Clearly I really like it. I think I bring it up every other episode. But sometimes you're just like, God, what do you say about this word? And wouldn't you know it?
in every part of the like okay so in Strongs and Cordance it has the definition of accomplishment but then I looked at the scriptures every time the word accomplish was used in the Bible it was that God accomplished something and I said God I am so sorry I give it all back to you I don't want any identification with accomplishments it is you and you alone and it's like
I can feel it now. Like it just like, whoa, I felt myself shift into something and it was rooted in like a lot of self stuff, trying to prove myself, yada yada, right? And then that just carried on to the next day and the next day having a different illustration, demonstration, whatever you want to call it, where he was like, hey Hope, you've been, you've been, I guess I'm answering all of these at once and I'm not trying to, but he highlighted things I was doing and then it was at that moment when he highlighted it to me.
Was I gonna say yes or no? Will I let him change it for me? And I said yes for each one. And let me just say something so incredible. And Nikki, you know this so much about me, about my belief in healing. Since all of this has happened, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday of last week, my blood sugars have responded.
That's the good. It's all of it so good. So that's it. I'm sure I'll answer more later.
Nikki Humphrey (05:15)
Perhaps the good.
That is, first
of all, praise Jesus. Like, God is so good. And it's just like that next big step of obedience. And he's like, there.
Hope Mangiafico (05:34)
And it was so simple instead of having to do the onion, which we there's a place for the onion, right? There is a place you have to listen to follow that. But then it's like, hope it is time, right? It is time. Will you do this? And I said yes. And it was incredible.
Nikki Humphrey (05:56)
I'm feeling this prompting, but like that growth and that what you experienced last week, carrying it, that was part of an onion. Like you couldn't get to where you without going layer by layer with the father, right? Yeah.
Hope Mangiafico (06:06)
Very true. No, you... Exactly. No.
Exactly,
exactly. Yeah, I probably didn't explain that well. was like how I felt it inside of me is you're exactly right. Like it built up to this moment. But when this moment where he showed me, I'll just go ahead and share it because I'm like, hope without you explaining it, it kind of is, this is why I'm like tripping over my words. He showed that for my whole life I had a shovel where I was digging this massive hole, trying to prove myself. If only I can make it to the end, then I'll be good enough.
then I'll do this, then I'll be free. So I was so tired because I kept digging with this shovel. And he's like, hope, do you want to get out? So instead of it being like, well, I was digging because of this and I was digging because of that, though I had done some of that work, it was no more. Let's keep figuring out why I'm digging. It's are you over it and done? Do you want to get out and hope I'm not snatching you out of this hole? Because I did dig the hole. He said, but I'm going to help you get out.
Nikki Humphrey (07:12)
That's right.
Hope Mangiafico (07:13)
And so that's what happened. He helped me get out of it and then my whole insides have been calm and I didn't know I didn't really actually know what a settled body felt like and my body's been settled since that um And so that's what I mean typically it's like he'll take me through that onion of you were digging because of this and digging because of that but finally it was like
Nikki Humphrey (07:25)
Mm-hmm.
Hope Mangiafico (07:39)
You see the hole is real big. We figured out a lot of that stuff. Now are you ready to know more piecing together all the different pieces? Let's get out.
Nikki Humphrey (07:50)
Yeah. Yeah. I just see God with those hands like, give me the shovel. Are you ready to give me the shovel? We don't need it anymore.
Hope Mangiafico (07:59)
But do you want to hear something so cool that is something that validates everything that we often share? When I got out, he actually, I thought I was gonna like toss the shovel or something, but it was more like I wasn't gonna go burn it or whatever because there's always an option, unfortunately, for the shovel. So I did surrender the shovel, but it's not gone. But the other beautiful part is he has...
Nikki Humphrey (08:17)
and
Hope Mangiafico (08:28)
I felt like he had me turn around to see the massive pile of dirt and he's like, now we're building from the dirt and forming beauty from this dust. And of course we are from dust, right? Like it confirms so much of the beauty of scripture. And he's like, every time you want to pick the shovel back up and dig, turn back around and look at this pile and stand by me to build beauty from the dirt because he will use it all.
Nikki Humphrey (08:57)
Yes.
Hope Mangiafico (08:59)
I didn't plan on sharing that today.
Nikki Humphrey (09:02)
I loved
all of that. I think we all need to hear that.
Hope Mangiafico (09:09)
And, and I'll add this because I think to your point, it's a good reminder of the faithfulness of the Father, but also that we can feel that he maybe left us hanging, but it's not how he works. So he wasn't going to lift me out, which we can get frustrated, right? Like, God, you have the ability to just lift me out of the situation or out of my choices. But what happened was he wanted me to like take the shovel. Great use, by the way, the sacred imagination. So it's a dirt hole.
and you of course have edges, to take the shovel and dig out divots that are like a ladder, which is a lot of work. And it's like every time I would dig it, to be able to swing the dirt away, I have to kind of fall back into the hole. And I got tired, but I was getting up there. And again, he's like, I can't take you out, but I'm gonna help. And so when you go on a hike, you have these little like U-shaped hooks that go into the rock that you can use to help you.
Nikki Humphrey (09:42)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Hope Mangiafico (10:05)
So I saw these start to show up so I could hold those and while I'm dumping the dirt, I can swing back and hold on to those. And it was that little loop that took me all the way to the top and prevented the fatigue where I finally got out of it. He showed up with the hooks, which looks very small. Doesn't seem like anything big, but it got me out.
Nikki Humphrey (10:32)
Yes.
Hope Mangiafico (10:36)
Me too.
Nikki Humphrey (10:37)
And it just shows you that God doesn't have to do these massive things to help you out.
It's just these little things and you had a choice. You could have laughed at that little hook, but you chose to use it to propel you forward and out.
That's all about choices.
Hope Mangiafico (11:02)
Well, it is, and even talking about sacred imagination, I think that was like episode four or something. It was in the beginning of our stuff and we keep revisiting it. I think the Lord uses that in all of our lives and as I'm sharing this and I feel kind of cuckoo because it's very, very deep and colorful and has a lot of detail, it's like, wouldn't that be like Him? Because that actually is so simple to just let your sacred imagination run.
and he'll heal through that.
Nikki Humphrey (11:35)
It's just these simple acts of obedience. So now I'm going to elaborate a little bit more on my good.
Hope Mangiafico (11:41)
Okay, yeah, this is, I mean,
it's beautiful. We're testifying.
Nikki Humphrey (11:44)
Yes.
Okay. So I said in a previous episode how I was just relying on God to get me through this six week assignment and I wasn't, I was putting earthly Nikki aside and all my thoughts and feelings with my interactions with people. And I was not going to intervene unless God told me to. And every day I was asking God, how do you want me to show up? How do you want me to say this? How do you want me to present this?
Hope Mangiafico (11:53)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Yeah.
Nikki Humphrey (12:13)
And that's
what I did every day. I just relied on God and did what he did. Even if if Nikki, earthly Nikki was prompting me to act, I didn't. And that's the first time I, I had that much restraint consistently for six weeks. Like I never pulled anybody aside, even if it was like, I just, I just let God work. And then on my last day, hope.
Hope Mangiafico (12:16)
Yeah.
Nikki Humphrey (12:43)
the testimony of the girls in my classroom, unbelievable. And like you were saying, it had nothing to do with me. This earthly Nikki was fighting and I wanted to do it I wanted to say things to these girls and I wanted to pull people aside and I didn't, I just followed God's will and was pointing people back to God and his love and his forgiveness and his understanding.
Hope Mangiafico (12:54)
No!
.
Nikki Humphrey (13:11)
in mercy every day. And it's God who had the impact on those girls. I was just the vessel.
Hope Mangiafico (13:21)
Yes, and we say that, and we say that often, but I think we just got a greater understanding of it recently between your six week endeavor and then me looking up the word accomplished in the Bible and it was always God accomplishing, but he had to use people. we both just got a deeper understanding and like a breakthrough and you were talking about restraint and it's like telling the flesh, which the flesh
is what allows us to be a body. The flesh though is, I guess, best translated as the sin nature. So finally being like, we don't want that. We want the presence of God more than anything. And I feel we both finally get that at a deeper level.
And there's no words to describe that feeling when you see the fruit of you saying, not me, but you, Lord. They're just words until I feel like we finally taste that.
Nikki Humphrey (14:28)
Yes, and those girls saying like, the timing was perfect. if you didn't come then X, Y, Z and just it wasn't me. I said the story, I was sitting in church. I told God, here I am, use me. I got the call. I showed up. it was just like you were being obedient in your sacred imagination. I was being obedient step by step for the six weeks, even though it was hard, even though.
Hope Mangiafico (14:50)
Yeah.
Nikki Humphrey (14:55)
Like I wanted to go in there and remember, prove myself and I never had to.
Hope Mangiafico (15:00)
Right, we talked about that on the podcast. Well, at the end of the day, it's like, what do we have to prove if we're trying to prove something, then we're stepping into the ugly and the bad of self.
Nikki Humphrey (15:11)
Yes. Yes.
Yes.
Hope Mangiafico (15:16)
it's so beautiful. Amen to just the freedom of Christ. the freedom in Christ is so good. ⁓ So yeah, that's, that's our good. Now, what's the bad?
Nikki Humphrey (15:30)
Now this one was a shock to me. The ugly was not as shocked as this one. Bad. Not asking for what I need.
I think I'm still ferociously independent.
And it's like, I don't ask for what I need because I'll go do it. I'll figure it out. it's okay. I got it. And I don't ask for what I need.
Hope Mangiafico (16:04)
Woo, that is good.
That is so good.
Nikki Humphrey (16:09)
I didn't think that's
what it was gonna be, but that's what it is. That was it.
Hope Mangiafico (16:16)
that's so, so good.
my gosh, so in my good, a lot of bad was revealed. I guess is the best way to answer my portion of this. ⁓ And one of the things to compliment what God showed you as your bad was God said to me, I didn't design you for the independence you have had.
Nikki Humphrey (16:22)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Hope Mangiafico (16:41)
And that also translates to accomplishments, right? we will figure it out. I'm trying to think of the right terminology for that, because it's we are so independent that we believe that we can accomplish whatever. It's that it's the word spoken over us at one point time that maybe said you're driven, you're a hard worker, you can persevere, you've been through hard things. These compliments actually turned into a little bit of like
self-worship but masked by not asking for what we need, which also sounds like we're neglecting ourselves.
there's a lot going on in that ⁓
Nikki Humphrey (17:25)
And I think also not
just the compliments, but for me, it was just like, you will never, Nikki, you will never XYZ. You wouldn't be able to do that. And then now it's like, watch me.
Hope Mangiafico (17:32)
Right.
Let me prove it.
Let me prove it. You said a couple things that complement this quote, which actually was a quote that aligned with what I was writing about independence. I'm like, God, you've done that almost this entire notebook. I'm almost done with the notebook. ⁓
Nikki Humphrey (17:53)
⁓ I'm still at the beginning.
Hope Mangiafico (17:56)
Well, mine, I use it. We use them kind of differently. And so the quote is, believes a broken heart becomes a way for God's love to break the dependence she's had on anyone but him. Learning to lean on his strength makes the days ahead of her sweeter than they've ever been. And it says, it's quoting Psalm 73 26, my spirit may grow weak, but God remains the strength of my heart.
He is mine forever. And it makes me think about Nikki, you sharing about not asking for what you need. At the end of the day, were you not tired? Did you not end up feeling weak?
That was my story.
It's because we were actually independent and independent from him, we have to put in context, independent from him but dependent on ourselves or external resources that we've shared all our dependencies on other external resources. That's so good. And it makes me think too, again, talking about what you shared about not asking for what you need.
I feel that as followers of Jesus, a lot of times, many of us believe it's overly selfish to ask for what we need. There's been this perversion of what selflessness means, being a servant, putting other people's needs before yours. There's so many roots to why we don't ask for what we need.
Nikki Humphrey (19:33)
And I think a lot of times, and we've talked about this too, especially in our beginning of our community series, like that's why I felt like so out of place because even relationship wise with like friends or my spouse or people in my family, a lot of times I just don't ask for what I need.
Hope Mangiafico (19:52)
Yeah.
Well, you know what's also interesting about that? You talked about relationships. Part of what I didn't share in that sentence I read was I said, or God said, I didn't design you for the independence you've had. You must choose to grieve and release a part of me. It was telling me I need to release the part of me that always wanted to accomplish things because if I don't release her, then I'm going to keep trying to pursue the accomplishments and grab a hold of Shawn because he's here for you.
Nikki Humphrey (20:01)
Bye.
Yes.
Hope Mangiafico (20:25)
So I was independent of my husband and because I had that mentality, Shawn could be showing up and I'm like, I don't see it, I don't hear it, you know, like I'm on my own. relationship.
I was like, he's there for you. You just, you think he's not and you treat him like he's not.
Nikki Humphrey (20:46)
Yes,
same. Same. And that's that.
Hope Mangiafico (20:53)
We are right in my bed. I love it. So what's the ugly?
Nikki Humphrey (20:56)
Yeah.
The ugly, here we go. Self-condemnation, self-reliance, self-motivation, self-correction, and self-harm.
all the self stuff.
Hope Mangiafico (21:15)
Yeah. But they, but it, it feels like it builds on the bad.
Nikki Humphrey (21:21)
Yes, and what it's ugly is because I take the bad of not asking what I need and that that self-reliance like I said in the ugly and that's where I think Satan really had a stronghold on me where I'm I'm not getting what I want. So I'm Self-Depending people aren't I don't think I can trust anybody. So I'm relying only on myself ⁓ I have to motivate myself
Hope Mangiafico (21:38)
. you
Nikki Humphrey (21:51)
because if I don't motivate it and if I don't do it and if I don't right now, no one's gonna be able to do it like I can. And then the self correction, like always condemning what I'm doing because it's not right.
It's not good. It's not the way it should be. And then that all causes me self harm, not just physically, but like I'm not treating myself well.
my body, my spirit, harm in every part of me.
Hope Mangiafico (22:19)
Right, it's you as a whole.
Nikki Humphrey (22:29)
And that really is ugly.
Hope Mangiafico (22:29)
That's
Yeah.
Nikki Humphrey (22:32)
That
really hurts God's heart to see that.
Hope Mangiafico (22:37)
Yes. Well, Anne, some of the stuff you were sharing reminds me of what we talked about in the self-help episode because some of the stuff you're sharing are things that the world does teach, the motivating yourself.
Nikki Humphrey (22:50)
Yeah, nobody's coming for you. That quote that went viral over a year ago. Yeah, God's coming for you. But that's what we're taught. If you don't do it yourself, it'll never get done.
Hope Mangiafico (23:04)
Yes.
And it doesn't help to your point if you've had any life experiences where you've been belittled or told something ⁓ because that just makes what the world tells you grow. ⁓ You water.
Nikki Humphrey (23:24)
Yes. And it may
have started off as a good thing, right? You might have gotten yourself out of immediate danger.
Hope Mangiafico (23:29)
Always.
exactly.
Nikki Humphrey (23:34)
but it's not a way, a good way to carry out the rest of your life.
Hope Mangiafico (23:41)
You know, it's so fascinating to me that concept because it's like how, there might be a study on this, but it just makes me wonder like how many times, I guess because kids especially, I don't know what the age range is, but like children are more sensitive and susceptible to words and things that happen to them. It's like.
Does any child or anyone that's gone through something hard or what would be classified as traumatic to them just bounce back? Or does it start to carry on beyond that point almost for every single person? And the answer is probably yes. It probably carries on for pretty much every single person if they didn't have good demonstrated to them. Health, healthy I should say, demonstrated to them.
And that's heartbreaking, but I think it's the reality all of us face.
So, something that was ugly. ⁓
I haven't read this. So I have one journal entry in here and the other two days were like in here. They're very... But I just read a little snippet where I put, that's so gross, Lord. So clearly that's ugly. If my response was that's gross. So just a little snippet. I said, I've been chasing greatness for so long because I believe that leaving a legacy and having an impact is everything. And it is important.
Nikki Humphrey (24:57)
huh. Yes.
Hope Mangiafico (25:20)
but believing it's everything is the problem. God should be everything to me. That's it means to love him with all my heart, mind, and soul. But I've loved greatness with all my heart, mind, and soul. It's like using God to get what I want, giving him credit when I receive it. And that's like a backhanded thank you to you, Lord. I feel God saying it's the root of my fear as well. I'm afraid I won't be great.
Nikki Humphrey (25:23)
Yes.
Hope Mangiafico (25:48)
I'm afraid all these things will hold me back from being great. It sounds good externally, but it's a severe heart issue because greatness is all I want. That's so gross, Lord.
But you know, like if you go into scripture, it's about the greatness of God and my desire to be great is very similar to what you're sharing of like I wanted to prove something. And so I just kept chasing and it's very ugly because I was basically building myself into an idol.
And it sounds so good and I feel like we have to emphasize that on the outside without the conviction of the Lord what we were doing on the outside actually looked so good. That goes back to what I was saying about, ⁓ you're so driven and this and that. And we can so quickly twist that one compliment or one thing that's told to us because of the trauma that we have and the things we've gone through.
And my sacred imagination kicked into this ugliness. And this is embarrassing to me because it showed my heart very clearly. You know how like at an old timey like movie theater, there was cute little like bulbs that light up around a sign. So I saw a massive sign like that that spelled out the word greatness. And it was me putting the power into that sign. And God again was like, do you want to give this up?
And you know, it's like, okay, what's guy gonna tell me to do, right? Like, I don't know. All he wanted me to do, I can still feel this, it was so weighty in the moment, was unplug the cord, the power. Now here's the thing, the cord was really short, very taut, so it was actually the cord that I was supplying the power to that was also holding the sign up. So once I let it go, the sign fell down.
Right? It's like, I can't make this stuff up.
And I finally surrendered that desire for greatness and it was ugly. It was the root of my fear was wanting to be great. I would have never thought that.
And it sounds so strange. You want to be great? Like that sounds like a king that's trying to like rule the world. But wouldn't that be like like like the enemy to utilize us to put those types of traits on us because he hates God. He hates Jesus. So wouldn't it be like the enemy to infiltrate us and make us present ourselves unknowingly like a king or like a ruler or whatever to belittle our God?
to break his heart like you said, you're ugly did
Nikki Humphrey (28:51)
Yeah, I had to let go of that. had to destroy that altar of greatness. And that's like when I saw your sign falling, it's like, it was like the altar falling, right? That we read so much about in the Bible, like the altar to this and altar to that, and they have to be destroyed. But I was right there with you. Like I wanted to be great. Like I wanted to have all this impact and
Hope Mangiafico (29:01)
Yeah, exactly. Same concept. Yeah.
Nikki Humphrey (29:19)
influence and that's not how the kingdom works.
Hope Mangiafico (29:25)
And it shows that it's not really everything is interwoven because in my mind for my personal journey that desire to be great is what caused me to have self-hate is What called me to self-reject is what caused me to be independent? in a way from God Like they're all intermingled and I think one of the coolest things To speak on the ugly which is not to say we're ugly, but we have traits
Nikki Humphrey (29:36)
Hmm?
Hope Mangiafico (29:54)
that are breaking God's heart and are ugly is I asked God after this, I said, I saw it fall and it didn't crumble, it didn't break, it just looked like an abandoned sign. And I teared up, like I just started crying in the natural and I said, who will I be?
And I said, this pursues all I've known. It's like chasing modeling or to be an actor. Like it's kind of what it was like, right? Ooh, I'm gonna follow the lights and do this. I was like, I've been chasing this like people do for acting and modeling. But he said this to me.
I can't get it out. You will be a daughter. And that's enough.
That was it. My new identity is a daughter.
Nikki Humphrey (30:48)
getting so emotional because as you were saying that I saw like when the sign fell and now that you reframed it didn't crumble as it fell I saw little hope and this like flower print dress come and she's got like her hand up in the air and she's like running around the sign like she just got the best thing that she ever wanted for her birthday
Like, so excited.
Hope Mangiafico (31:21)
I believe that.
Nikki Humphrey (31:21)
And that
isn't the daughter like running back to her father and just thanking him for the greatest gift he could have given you in that moment, right?
Hope Mangiafico (31:32)
Mm-hmm. I love that. I mentioned about this rippling effect of these days with my blood sugar response. Something that I know is true from a ministry is there...
There is a spiritual route to type 1 diabetes being a breakdown with your relationship with the father. So I'm just not connecting these dots that God's like, you're gonna be a daughter. And so me receiving that truth and having that joy in that moment explains, I think, in part why my blood sugars have been better. I've had this internal settling of an identity thing that I've known in theory, because gosh knows we're on episode
30 some odd and we have talked about being a daughter, stepping in our identity. But it's one thing to know it, it's another thing to apply it and to live it out. And you know, Nikki, as you said, like I was describing it a little bit more, hopes mine would have thought the sign would have crumbled.
Nikki Humphrey (32:38)
That's what my mind saw.
Hope Mangiafico (32:42)
And I can tell, kind of like what you were sharing about using your restraints or like restraining yourself in the six weeks that you were doing this job and not interfering, I often go into, can, in a sacred imagination and expect, it's gonna crumble, it's broken. And I can tell when I'm leaning into that as I've grown. And so I'm like, mm, that feels too much like Hope's brain. I would want it to crumble. So then I pause and I just kind of sit with it for a little bit.
And then it's always the weird, right? The thing that doesn't make any sense. That is him.
And that's just a word of encouragement for people. Like, he'll use it either way. If it would have crumbled, he would have used it. But I, because I've been growing and I feel myself often interfere in that way expecting something, I stop myself better than I used to. But being a daughter, and that's really that's the truth for you, Nikki. It's the truth with everything you've shared. If we can step into just saying it's enough to be the daughter of the king.
Self-rejection, self-harm, self-hate. It would start to dissipate, truly dissipate, not just have moments of it.
Is it, it's like, it's like the episode where we said like, is God's love enough? The compliment is, is being a daughter to a father that loves us more than anything, is that not enough?
Nikki Humphrey (34:15)
when you rest in that own, you truly believe it. Nothing else really matters. It comes and goes. Like life still happens. Life is still good. Life is still bad, you know, at times or hard, but it doesn't matter as much because that's not your identity. You're not identifying in things.
Hope Mangiafico (34:31)
It- that is the truth.
or your safety.
Yes, and for me what the Lord was like saying was like safety is being a daughter of the king because we often I've said this before on the podcast and I'm sure we've had discussions throughout of just like we all long for safety and I know that's been a big thing for me and So the things don't matter because your safety isn't in things. You know that life happens Finances dwindle jobs come and go arguments happen
friends come and go, they weren't your safety, they were tool that God was using.
but your life doesn't depend on those things.
Nikki Humphrey (35:20)
and I've noticed too, when I'm going on social media, the people who are dependent on those things, like it's yucky to me now. Like I can't even watch it. I feel this conviction, like that's not authentic. That's not my daughter. And I can't even, like it stirs something like, I get a little sick to my stomach.
Hope Mangiafico (35:32)
feel that it's hard to explain.
I know it's
Nikki Humphrey (35:47)
And not to say that I'm
perfect all the time, I'm not, but I'm just saying like it's shifted even how I look at things or view things.
Hope Mangiafico (35:56)
I feel that so much. And it's the little thing. So like, I watch a lot of millennial content, because they used to bring me joy. And they have their moments. But as I've, this has been a big year, holistically. I think all people in the body of Christ can say that. If you actually pause and zoom out, so I'm just going to speak on everyone's behalf, because I think God is up to something major for all of us in the body of Christ. So because of that,
Each moment in which you've said yes and you've had a step of obedience, you become more sensitive. We've talked about that. But it's the little things. So like I talk about that millennial content. I used to just love it. It was so great. Now in the in-betweens of their little reels, there's something about the way they speak that I like, ⁓ no, you aren't rooted at all. And now I feel like I can't watch your content because you're sneaking in things.
that aren't aligned with what I believe and now I can't, I should say I can't enjoy it. I'm choosing not to put myself in there because it doesn't fill the void I thought I once had needing that entertainment.
It's those little things that start to get highlighted. It's not to poo poo on those people because like you said, Nikki we're not perfect, but you need to lean into those little things that you're like, man, something's amiss. It's not drawing me to God. And that's where I've gotten to the point where it's like, if it's not helping me grow towards Him, I don't want it anymore.
Nikki Humphrey (37:36)
That's it. That's where I'm at.
Hope Mangiafico (37:38)
and it feels very extreme.
but I don't want it.
And that's the perfect example of the good of self, because then you'll be fully who God has designed you to be.
So we have more stories like you shared and I shared about the good, you know?
Nikki Humphrey (38:02)
and he has to highlight the ugly.
Hope Mangiafico (38:04)
Yes.
Nikki Humphrey (38:06)
so you can get to the good.
Hope Mangiafico (38:09)
Well, so today I read Deuteronomy and for some reason I had the ears to hear the eyes to read. It shed a different light in my heart about the wilderness. It was like you have to have the wilderness to know the good and I've known that.
Nikki Humphrey (38:33)
That's what this
was about, but different. This was James, but same thing.
Hope Mangiafico (38:37)
Well, that's the beautiful scriptures parallel, so you should be able to validate it with a different scripture. And I don't know why. I guess because my heart was ready to receive it. I'm like, I get it. And it proves, it tests what's in your heart as well. And I was like, finally, I think I have some peace about my wilderness reasons.
Also, the book of James I wrote in our ⁓ reading for the year, it's become my new favorite book in the Bible. ⁓ I love it. So you share that sister.
Nikki Humphrey (39:14)
Okay, so I'm going to put my glasses on so I don't stumble through this because I've been loving James and I highlighted this a while ago, but then it prompted me to like look back. So as James 1, 2 through 4, and we probably all heard this before, consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, that the testimony of your faith produces perseverance. Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature.
Hope Mangiafico (39:19)
Mm-hmm.
Nikki Humphrey (39:44)
and complete, not lacking anything. And then God gave me three points. Point one, joy brings contentment when we realize that nothing will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus. And then point two, we can't really know the strength of our character until we see how we react under pressure.
Hope Mangiafico (39:48)
Mm.
Nikki Humphrey (40:12)
like you were just saying. And then three, enduring through trials generates a whole person, seasoned, experienced, well-developed and fully trained so we can be obedient to God.
Hope Mangiafico (40:28)
Wait, that last point, say that was really good. I was like, heard it and then I didn't fully receive it. Say that one more time.
Nikki Humphrey (40:34)
Okay.
Enduring through trials generates a whole person, seasoned, experienced, well-developed and fully trained.
Hope Mangiafico (40:45)
develops a whole person. That is a beautiful statement.
Nikki Humphrey (40:53)
And that's why we have the good in our life. That's why we have the bad. And that's why we have the ugly. Because we don't know how we're going to react until we're under pressure, until we're tested.
Hope Mangiafico (41:06)
Yeah, or we're exposed to someone else's like you were saying about social media.
Nikki Humphrey (41:11)
Yes, we could have all like we talked about it in previous episode. We could have all this knowledge, but if we don't apply it to our own life when life is life thing, it's it's not why have it. Why even have it then?
Hope Mangiafico (41:29)
Mmm. That's so good. Well, I have a closing note from the Lord.
Nikki Humphrey (41:37)
Yes,
ooh, I love a closing note from the Lord.
Hope Mangiafico (41:41)
This is all I got for today's episode.
today. It's been wonderful. So this is literally what I felt like were exact words from God, okay? So you, Nikki, myself, and the listener, listen with ears to hear that this is for you. I have loved you with an everlasting love. This is why self matters, why you matter. But my definition and display of self-love and self-care, it looks different.
And we need to clear some things up first. I am not the creator of self-hate, self-rejection, and self-denial. Bad teachings and manipulation has formed that all in the name of selflessness. Being selfless and caring for others doesn't mean ignoring your needs. In my kingdom, being a servant to others and caring for yourself can coexist. I am an and God. Even the ugly
perspective of self is beautiful to me because I know if my child is being selfish and hyper-focused on themselves, it's because they so deeply long for change and are desperate for relief. I see this as beautiful because I know this means just one encounter with me will catapult them into their identity. I also know the ugly comes from powers of darkness. Darkness is truly selfish, self-seeking, because there is no care about anyone or anything else.
It's not driven by maybe being afraid like it is in my children's hearts. Darkness is driven by hate and rejection. It's in its very essence. But eternity is written on my children's hearts. And my law is there too. And this is the good, the great news. Eternity is saturated in love. My law is rooted in love. And this truth is simply buried in you. But it's there.
The things of the world, aka things under the influence of darkness, cover it up. But today I say, no more. We start uncovering it today. The independent spirit that covers up the truth of eternity and my good law and your identity must flee and give me space to move more freely in my children's lives. This independent spirit stirs up the bad and the ugly sides of self, but I say let the good
break forth. The good is you are loved as you are, but that doesn't mean I'm wanting to keep you where you are. We have things to dig up and beauty to uncover that keeps you leaning towards the bad and ugly sides of self. Hear me loud and clear. Hating yourself more and finding reasons to reject yourself more will not get you to where you're desiring. This is why you're tired. It's also why all the world's self...
Self-care tips don't last. Becoming your true, full, good self is in what I can accomplish, not you. Your greatest self is becoming your most desperately dependent on me self.
Nikki Humphrey (45:00)
Amen.
Hope Mangiafico (45:05)
a lot.
Nikki Humphrey (45:07)
So good.
Hope Mangiafico (45:10)
desperately dependent, my biblical counselor would use that word. I think, you know, God often speaks in terms that are familiar with us, you know, and that's how you grow to learn his voice, right? ⁓ And as we talked about independence today, that display of desperately dependent. When you're desperate, guess what that means, Nikki? You have needs.
Nikki Humphrey (45:35)
Yes.
Hope Mangiafico (45:37)
and you get to be a daughter.
Nikki Humphrey (45:42)
That will do it. That won't really do it.
and I wanna encourage all the listeners, everybody who's watching this, ask God those three questions. God, where is the good in my life? Where is the bad? And where is the ugly? And just listen to what he has to say because it's all for our good, even the bad and the ugly. And that's what this episode proves. We can't grow unless...
Hope Mangiafico (46:07)
Mm.
Nikki Humphrey (46:15)
we have those convictions about where we're at and where the Lord wants us to go.
Hope Mangiafico (46:23)
Yes and amen. Until next time, we'll see you in the overflow.