Hope Mangiafico (00:00)
Hi, I'm Hope.
Nikki Humphrey (00:01)
Hi, I'm Nikki. Welcome to Equip Fellowship where friends become family through Christ. We're two Jesus-loving friends on a mission to share personal stories, resources, and real talk about our triumphs, breakthroughs, struggles, and strengths. Why? Because we believe you are called to live victoriously. And we are here to equip you with Holy Spirit-led tools and strategies to strengthen your faith, transform your mindset, and walk.
Hope Mangiafico (00:08)
you Okay.
Nikki Humphrey (00:29)
boldly in God's promises, because here's the truth, you have been given great and precious promises by God. So grab your coffee, lean
in and let's grow together. It's time to step into everything God has for you.
Hope Mangiafico (00:44)
That's right. That is right. And boy, are we gonna probably share some stories today. So looking forward to it.
Nikki Humphrey (00:51)
I think so too, because today's episode, it just came upon me last week right before I was getting ready to record last week's episode. And it was just that thought of when self-help isn't God's help. And I feel like we live in a world
Hope Mangiafico (01:12)
Hmm.
Nikki Humphrey (01:16)
that worships self-improvement.
Hope Mangiafico (01:17)
.
Nikki Humphrey (01:19)
Everywhere you look, there's another book, a podcast or influencer telling you how to fix your mindset, how to manifest your dream life or become your highest self. But here's the thing, self-help can never replace God's help, period. Because you and I were never created to do life in our own strength.
Hope Mangiafico (01:42)
Amen. That's the truth. And it's funny because we're a Christian podcast. We talk about scripture and I mean, it's all in scripture. Yet, even as people that claim to follow Jesus, like we fall prey to that.
Nikki Humphrey (02:01)
Yeah,
absolutely. I don't know how many books that I've bought over the years. Like I'm struggling with something, I'm going to the bookstore, I'm looking on Amazon. What did that influencer recommend? Like I wanna try that.
Hope Mangiafico (02:18)
And as you're saying that, I'm thinking about books that I actually slowly like removed from my bookcase, which has happened periodically. A lot of them that were like the eight steps or this or how to do whatever were actually from pastors. Like they weren't not from ministries, but when you start reading them, they still were like the five steps become, you know, the higher self concept is New Age terminology, but it was still painting the same picture.
And I think that's so interesting because as I said yes to Jesus and I started that journey, I was so deep into self-help, all I did was redirect it to ones that now were under the Christian umbrella.
Even if the past, you know, the Lord might have given them that assignment to do the book, you know, they had a purpose, I'm sure, but I don't think I was the...
Nikki Humphrey (03:10)
Perfect.
Right, yes. We're looking to these tools to help heal us. And we're looking for us to be the hero of our story. We're looking for us to save ourselves. But in the kingdom of God, he's the hero, not us.
Hope Mangiafico (03:38)
That's it. Wow, that's like that's a great summary of this whole episode. I think he's the hero. And I think the wrestling happens with the fact that whether we want to admit to it or not, we really like being the hero.
Nikki Humphrey (03:56)
I agree with that, especially you and I hope because we always had to be our own hero. Because if we weren't saving ourselves, who was going to save us?
Hope Mangiafico (04:05)
So you have this background where that's happening so you learn these habits and then as you get older, this goes back to our previous episode, then becoming the hero is like a dopamine hit because you're like...
Nikki Humphrey (04:10)
Mm-hmm.
You're gonna say
the same thing? Yes.
Because it feels right. Just because it feels right, doesn't mean it is right.
Hope Mangiafico (04:25)
right. And that is something that's extremely difficult to like take to heart because using the word feelings, so you know, it's interesting. See if this comes out right. Being aligned with the Holy Spirit is a feeling. Like everyone feels it differently, right? But we have to be very careful because I raised my hand on this one.
that I would say like I feel like God is telling me something and I would say that with confidence it was him but in actuality it was almost like learned behavior that made me confident in my removal of him. I don't know if that makes sense. It's not coming out well but did it? Okay, it's like as I started maturing in my walk with the Lord
Nikki Humphrey (05:11)
It came out well.
Hope Mangiafico (05:18)
I started noticing how I'm like, I feel God's saying, I feel this, I feel that. it's like, Hope, I think you're just saying that because you wanna feel a little more confident in your decisions, in Hope's decisions. All in the name of, I'm under the umbrella of using the Lord as my shepherd, as my guide. It was a lie.
Nikki Humphrey (05:31)
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Right.
Yeah. And I've just seen more and more on social media lately about like, I don't think self-help has ever like died down and I don't want to say it's a resurgence, but in my particular feed, I'm just seeing more and more and more of it. Like I did this, like this is what I did. Follow my way. This is the pattern. Do you feel like this? I can help you solve it.
Hope Mangiafico (06:02)
Really?
⁓
yeah, but that goes back to feeling, right? Like how can I, I'm not saying this is what they do, but as a human, our tendency is like, how can I reach that person and let them know I can be of help? You tap into their feelings, their emotions. You can hook a person's emotion, which often is stirred and ⁓ manifesting through trauma in their past. You'll make a sell every time.
Nikki Humphrey (06:19)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yeah.
Hope Mangiafico (06:41)
And that's what I guess from what you're saying is what my mind is saying is we know feelings is what captures us and makes us have honestly when we see an ad or something coming in our newsfeed, it's that false hope.
because they can relate.
Nikki Humphrey (07:00)
That's right, yes. And Jesus said in John 15, five, apart from me, you can do nothing. And I know that I only got healing, I only got restoration when I surrendered my life over to Jesus. When I put him in the driver's seat and I went into the back seat, because we've said on many podcasts, I spent so much money on books, resources, people.
trying to fix myself. And the only way that I was healed was to let God in and let him do the healing.
Hope Mangiafico (07:41)
Yeah. It's interesting you share that part of your journey because I felt like for this episode,
the Lord wanted me to share what pursuing self-help did to me. And I wrote that it made me feel like I was never good enough, which was odd because self-help for me, and I think in general, is actually rooted in pride. So it's this cycle of dysfunction, as you would call it, where it's like, my gosh, I'm not good enough, let me keep pursuing, which is rooted in pride, which makes me feel like I'm not good enough, even worse. And it's just, you get on this loop and getting
Nikki Humphrey (07:54)
Yeah.
Hope Mangiafico (08:19)
off that loop is truly, Nikki, the first step out of that loop, I should say, is exactly what you said with like, I realize apart from Jesus, I can do nothing. Let me step out. Might put my toe back in, but by that realization that you shared in your story, that just little bit of removal, I believe,
As long as you stay in that alignment of just seeking him first, seek first the kingdom of God, your whole being will not get back in that trap.
Nikki Humphrey (08:55)
Yeah. And I feel like the enemy wants nothing more than for us to heal ourselves because it's an incomplete healing. And that allows him to still have a foothold in our life because we are not healing anything. We might think we're fixing it or we might not be experiencing the same symptoms that we're having. But if we self help, we take God out of the equation, which
Hope Mangiafico (09:09)
Mmm.
Nikki Humphrey (09:23)
leaves us in the murky middle of things and leaves us open to manipulation on all sides.
Hope Mangiafico (09:31)
Yeah, that's a good point.
came to mind is Revelation 13 3, where it's talking about the beast being a representation of the enemy. Or I'm not even going say the enemy because I'm going to just say Satan and his kingdom. And it said, And I saw one of his heads as if it were wounded to death, and his deadly wound was healed, and all the world wondered after the beast.
And as weird as that sounds for that scripture to come up, it made me think of what you were saying is like, wouldn't it be like the enemy to introduce self-help so that we see some kind of healing and so then we keep digging deeper and deeper and deeper and we think, wow, that actually does work. Is it full healing? The answer is no, just like the enemy doesn't actually heal himself or heal other people. It's mockery, it's partial, but it still creates enough interest.
to continue down that path. And we see progress. We're like, wow, thinking about you and I, right? Like the scripture says, it were wounded to death. I could say that there were times of my past where I felt like I could not go on and you sure as heck have that part of your story in a different way than I do. Like yours is more literal than me. ⁓ And any progress, I would have been like, ⁓ my gosh.
I'm healed, right? And I keep going back because I was in such a pit, why would I not keep trying to get better? And it's all the schemes of the enemy.
Nikki Humphrey (11:08)
really is.
I just think of the things that I did. And not to say that they were evil or bad, but it was just, I was the center of the fixing. I was following these people and they said, do this during your morning routine, cause this is the way to start your day. And I was doing it that way. ⁓ When a problem comes, you stop and do these things because this is the way to do it and handle it. And you're right, Hope. ⁓
Hope Mangiafico (11:25)
Right.
Nikki Humphrey (11:38)
do have some success with that. And some people might say like, that was marked improvement. But for me, it never got to the root of the problem. And so if I never got to the root of the problem, it seemed like when things got worse, like they were really worser. Because of that compound ⁓ trauma of not dealing with the root.
Hope Mangiafico (11:43)
. Okay.
Well that plus even in the beginning of saying yes to Jesus start the journey scripture says right you cast out one seven more come back if you do not fill that place up with things of God with the Holy Spirit you become vacant so more can come in and that's the other thing when you start any kind of healing journey without having the full replacement of all that Jesus offers worse gets worse
And the enemy knows that, the enemy knows every single tactic that he can use to try and divert you away from the Lord. And I think that's where that Revelation 13.3 scripture, it keeps coming back to my mind because the enemy's goal is to bring you back to him, which right now we're in the world in which is his operations. So anything that-
points you away from Jesus Christ and the healing of Jesus and all the power and authority within it, it brings you back to the enemy. And I really, I don't know why I keep saying the enemy and it feels not strong enough. I'm like, I don't even like it. I feel like honestly, to be frank, I feel like a lot of Christians, including myself in churches, we say the enemy to make it softer. He's not cute at all.
Nikki Humphrey (13:07)
Yes.
Bang!
And he's that cute.
Hope Mangiafico (13:26)
It's like what Mary said and she was like, why are we wearing the armor if he's some puny little thing? He's not. He's ugly. He's big. He's not stupid. He knows scripture better than most of us. He knows the truth. That's actually the right way to say it. He knows the truth better than most of us.
Nikki Humphrey (13:42)
Right, and he knows how to bend it in such a way that manipulates us.
Hope Mangiafico (13:44)
Exactly. To lead us
back to him, which is anything outside of Jesus. Ooh, fires me up. I don't know. Like, I don't know where that came from, but I think, you know, I, this is not a conversation or episode about like, where are we in the end times? But if you are not on high alert all the time,
Nikki Humphrey (13:53)
Yes. I'm here for it. ⁓
Hope Mangiafico (14:12)
You're either growing towards Jesus or you're going towards the enemy. Towards his camp, towards the powers of darkness. You are complementing the powers of darkness.
Nikki Humphrey (14:24)
Yes.
And I see it all the time where people are just like, they try to manipulate God's word to fit their agenda.
Hope Mangiafico (14:35)
⁓ shoot, I've been there, done that.
Nikki Humphrey (14:37)
Yeah, me too. But it's just like, and you hear people talking and I'm just like, that's not quite right. Close. It's not quite right though. And that fires me up because I'm like, that just like we talk about that one little teeny portion of lie distorts all of the truth.
Hope Mangiafico (14:44)
Well, yeah.
Can I open up a potential conversation starter?
Nikki Humphrey (15:02)
Yes, do it.
Hope Mangiafico (15:03)
I to look into this before our call and because you just said that maybe this is an opportunity. When I was jotting down what the Lord's kind of put on my heart about this episode, Proverbs 16, 9 came to mind where it says a man's heart divides his ways but the Lord directs his steps. And I'm like, Lord, this scripture, it's scripture, but I feel like it's one of those scriptures that you can absolutely take out of context. ⁓ Context slash its actual meaning.
and I did not have a chance to actually dive into what I felt like it actually meant. Do you have any thoughts on that? Because, I don't know, it's just what came to mind is something that we could easily distort.
Nikki Humphrey (15:46)
Yeah, say it one more time because something was coming up, but I need it to walk over again.
Hope Mangiafico (15:50)
Yeah.
Okay. If I put it in more like familiar terms, because I think it says path in more common words. It says, ⁓ the heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.
Nikki Humphrey (16:07)
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That's how you get deep in the curly cues because we work on, like you said at the beginning Hope, on emotions. We feed on emotions and how we feel and the dopamine hits and all of that. want, just like we were saying, like the enemy, it's like cuting it down. Like that's making things cute and easy, but real transformation, real heart change.
allowing the Lord to direct your steps has to be intentional and you have to put the work in to see completion of those steps. And a lot of times when we're following our heart and it's divided.
Hope Mangiafico (16:50)
.
Nikki Humphrey (16:53)
I just see like a separation when things are separated that separating us from God's truth.
And we're becoming again, self centered and self reliant.
Hope Mangiafico (16:58)
I see.
Yeah. And that's how I feel the scripture could be distorted because it's like the heart of man plants his way. So let me make a five-year plan. And the second part, but the Lord establishes a step. It's like, okay, God, I, in five years, I want to be a millionaire. So you get me there.
Nikki Humphrey (17:12)
Okay.
Hope Mangiafico (17:20)
You know, it's like that ain't right. ⁓
Nikki Humphrey (17:22)
Right.
Because God's got to direct from the start. We all want to, well, most people want like money or millionaire or like things, but maybe that's not God's plan for us. But we're like saying like, we got our notepad out. Like I got my goal sheet, God like, okay, what's step one? How do we get this going? How do we get 20 people to buy this program? And God's like, I never even told you to write a program, girl.
Hope Mangiafico (17:36)
Right.
Right.
That
sounds personal. Me too. No, me too. Me too. You're in my current ⁓ phase where I deleted all my programs from my Kajabi site. You have not seen the old ones. ⁓ Yeah, that, that, that makes a lot of sense. You know, again, didn't get to dive into the scripture, but it's like the heart of man plans his way and it makes me think too,
Nikki Humphrey (17:54)
Maybe that's just me.
I mean...
Hope Mangiafico (18:19)
The flip side, the good side of this whole scripture is that our heart is where we've talked about it actually before, where everything comes together. So if you include the pains, the wounds, the traumas, the good and the bad, and it all comes together and you do start planning something ideally with the Lord, but even if you go down some curly cues, God is good that he will use it all and establish your steps so to get you back on that path.
But to your point from the beginning of when I even mentioned the scripture, you said that we have to be taking action and taking steps that are basically in agreement with him. And so that's a better perspective of this scripture that for some reason I just, when I hear it, it doesn't sit well with me. And I think it goes back to even what you said before I opened this can of worms of like just that tiny distortion.
Sounds like I just closed this deal. Praise the Lord. I had this forever and the Lord got me here.
It's not that it could be, it's not that it's not true.
It's just how did it unfold, which I think is how you started the whole conversation, really.
Nikki Humphrey (19:31)
Yeah, and then I had some notes about the heart too. And I said, we can change our habits through effort, but only God can change our hearts through encounter.
Hope Mangiafico (19:42)
Mmm.
Nikki Humphrey (19:44)
So we can change some of those bad habits, stop drinking or whatever, cut out sugar or whatever, but only God can change our hearts through the encounter. We have to give those things to God. Like, this is what I'm struggling with God. What do I need to do? Like I've gotten this far. What's my next step that I can take with you?
Hope Mangiafico (19:47)
Hmm.
Yeah.
That makes me think of another scripture, which I can't quote where it is in the Bible, but you know that scripture where it says, God gives us the desires of our heart. And that actually, the truth behind that is as we're in alignment with him, our hearts become what he wants.
Nikki Humphrey (20:27)
Hmm.
Hope Mangiafico (20:28)
And our hearts through those encounters are the only way to get that alignment.
That's what that scripture means.
Nikki Humphrey (20:35)
Yes.
Hope Mangiafico (20:35)
He wants this like
beautiful, clean, and if a better word would be healed heart in all of us. And we talked about how many times in the last recording about encounters. Isn't that how we said it? It's like that's all he wants. It's that simple.
Nikki Humphrey (20:42)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Hope Mangiafico (20:54)
And you know, you're talking about that we can put forth effort and I think a lot of times we stop there, right? ⁓ And I remember a while ago listening to ⁓ someone talk about deliverance and they were talking about how for so long they tried white knuckling their way through an addiction and it only got them so far. And that's what I see about effort. You can do it.
She'll be exhausted.
Nikki Humphrey (21:21)
So exhausted.
So exhausted talking about all of that. It's one of our, our slogans from back in the day popped in my head. The fortunes in the follow-up, the fortune, you don't get it in your initial encounter with God. You don't get all the pieces, the fortunes in the follow-up. You got to keep following up with God. And I know I was so bad. And at times I'm still so bad with following up with God.
Hope Mangiafico (21:34)
Hmmmm
⁓
Nikki Humphrey (21:52)
checking in, letting them know like where I'm at. Am I on course? Am I off course? Am I?
Hope Mangiafico (22:01)
A follow-up is a step.
He directs our steps. That's so good, Nikki Come on, network marketing.
Nikki Humphrey (22:06)
Yes.
Hope Mangiafico (22:11)
New and come back around eventually.
Nikki Humphrey (22:11)
May
God will use it all won't he do it?
Hope Mangiafico (22:16)
Exactly!
Exactly! That's so good! That is so good.
Nikki Humphrey (22:22)
And I was thinking, you know, just coming out of the community series and all of that, when I was thinking about self-help yesterday, I'm like, when you're doing self-help and when you're reading the books and when you're doing this program, you don't really have any accountability.
Hope Mangiafico (22:38)
Hmm
Nikki Humphrey (22:41)
You don't have anybody you're really checking in with to call you out if you're on the wrong path or whatever. And to me, that's another one of we've said this over and over again. That's one of Satan's strategies is isolation.
Hope Mangiafico (22:56)
Well, you know, a lot of these things that are either books or courses, they offer a community aspect, but that virtual community where someone does not know you intimately, it just needs to be one person, it doesn't carry that same weight.
I mean, we did programs like that for network marketing. We would have like the New Year, New You thing, a Facebook group of 20 people. It wasn't accountability. It was floating in the social media space and I barely knew that person.
Nikki Humphrey (23:24)
Right, and no one knows what you're struggling with because you're always trying to be the top of the class or like, I'm crushing the self help.
Hope Mangiafico (23:37)
Right.
Nikki Humphrey (23:38)
Nobody says I'm drowning in my self help.
Hope Mangiafico (23:44)
That reminds me of...
Let's see if this comes out right. I was reviewing, I know I've brought up day trading a lot and it's because God has used it so much to teach me. I took a course on day trading. Now I did feel like I was supposed to do that a long time ago now, like a year and a half ago. But the guy gives you this print off of like, hey, this is really funny when you think about it. I hope this compliments what you're saying. And it was like, what will be your like?
entry signs, how much risk, like what will your risk to reward ratio be, how much are you willing to lose, how much are you this? This girl took the course and whatever came out of his mouth is what I wrote. I did not personalize, I was a student because I wanted to get the right answer, did I care? Did I even think twice about it? No, homeboy said you should have this risk reward ratio, so I put it in, I took it like a quiz.
Nikki Humphrey (24:43)
Yeah. Yes. And I feel like that's what happens and nobody's calling you out, Hope. Like what if that was way out of balance for you? What if that was way out of alignment for your spending?
Hope Mangiafico (24:53)
⁓ it was once I
once I got it once I got into the market I realized I knew nothing because all I cared about was getting the right answer and that's exactly what self-help is is you just it's it fills this desire for an answer but not a solution and those aren't the same thing
Nikki Humphrey (25:03)
Right. Yeah.
Hope Mangiafico (25:15)
But yeah, you're right about that too. Yeah, like if I would have jumped in with him saying, you should risk 2000 a day, I would have in a deep hole real fast. But I probably would have taken it literal because I wasn't, we talked about this on the last episode. My foundation wasn't strong enough in that realm of study, if you will. So I would take anything. That'll preach. If we don't have a strong foundation in Jesus,
We will take anything.
Nikki Humphrey (25:45)
will. And just you saying all that hope, I'm just like, how many courses, how many books that I just fill in the answer that they wanted to hear. I wanted to be feel smart. wanted to be, you know, be able to like, be like everybody else. Like little Nikki just wanted to fit in and just be recognized. You got the good answer girl.
Hope Mangiafico (25:54)
I ate it up because
was it!
Well, it makes me even think about someone that you followed very closely. This is the first example that's coming to mind. Let's say that there was a course that she offered and it was like, all right, let's start dreaming. What would you like to do? What do you dream of doing? You're like, well, she was an author. Writing a book sounds really nice. I would like to write a book.
Like it's just you only take from what you see and Satan knows that.
And as you said, God is after encounters and encounters actually have very little to do with your eyes or any of your external senses, your spiritual senses.
And you know, that leads me to another point which ⁓ when God said, share what pursuing self help did to me, it caused so much anxiety because the list of resources were never ending.
Nikki Humphrey (27:02)
Yes, yes, and you always think you have all these problems like, ooh, this one, that's this, I got that, let's heal that, okay, that one, ⁓ I'm gonna read that one next. Do you remember like taking screenshots on social media when somebody's holding up a book?
Hope Mangiafico (27:18)
You did that, I didn't do that.
Nikki Humphrey (27:21)
Yep.
Hope Mangiafico (27:22)
still,
unfortunately with quotes, my screenshots are still higher in my phone than anything else. But you know, Nikki, my next two points were I saw myself as a never-ending project and I was always chasing the gurus or experts to master an area, but simultaneously, other areas were being neglected.
because that's how you get this laser focus, right? If you take a screenshot of a book, that's what I'm after. Who cares about everything else?
Nikki Humphrey (27:51)
Because you think that one thing when you take God out of the equation, you think one thing is going to change everything. And it doesn't. Only God can do that. Only with God can one thing change everything.
Hope Mangiafico (28:05)
And can I just add to compliment the last two things we've really just covered, ⁓ I don't know if you encountered this, Nikki, but when I first got into the online space as an entrepreneur, they were really pushing that all you needed to be profitable was to find your niche and be the expert in that area.
Nikki Humphrey (28:25)
Yes.
Hope Mangiafico (28:27)
I say no to any of us being experts in anything. Can we be vessels to help? Absolutely. But the moment that people start coming to you as the expert on anything except for Jesus Christ, you need to do a heart check in the name of Jesus.
Nikki Humphrey (28:41)
Yes. Yes.
Hope Mangiafico (28:43)
It was so frequently taught that that's all you needed to do. You need to be an expert in something. And I did that.
Nikki Humphrey (28:51)
Right. I think I even
take, I took courses on that from ⁓ my lady who I spent all that money on, because it was just like how to define that, how to write a course towards that, how to define that. And here's the thing, Hope, I think it was only like, you need to know 2 % more than the average person to consider yourself an expert.
Hope Mangiafico (29:13)
I believe that.
Nikki Humphrey (29:14)
Now come on.
that qualify you as an expert? Did you know just tiny bit more and you just knew a smidgen more?
Hope Mangiafico (29:20)
That term became very-
tried to make it sound kind because they would say, you're just a little further along on the journey. Now I like that. Sucked me right in. But I still was wearing the hat of expert because then they would hook you by saying that instead of saying, hey, be a generous person and just help and trust that God rewards. Which granted, that's still hard.
faith-leap overall, right? Like, but God will provide in whatever ways he chooses to financially. You don't have to charge because you're 2 % further along on a journey than someone. Be a friend.
Nikki Humphrey (30:04)
Yes.
Hope Mangiafico (30:06)
I used to cause me so much anxiety, Nikki, like how much to charge if someone wants my help because my time is valuable. I am such a valuable asset. really need to figure if you, know you've been there. ⁓ I have to do the math. What's 60 minutes of my time worth? Well, this course took me this long to make in the mid.
Nikki Humphrey (30:27)
Hey
Hope Mangiafico (30:28)
This is like what we talked about when we were caught up in the health and fitness industry. We were just feeding the beast.
Nikki Humphrey (30:33)
Yes.
Hope Mangiafico (30:34)
God, just thinking about it makes me feel angst because I can't believe that I got that inundated with receiving self-help and then giving it out. We did both because we were, we are entrepreneurial in mindset. So we've done both more than probably most of our listeners.
Nikki Humphrey (30:46)
Yes.
Yes. And it drove us crazy hope. Do you remember like looking at ingredients and we just want to know like about one little thing and we would like perseverate on it and like go ask the scientists and like try to research it and all of that and it's just like we didn't know if that was good like if we should pursue it like we thought because we needed to be the expert we needed to be able to
Hope Mangiafico (31:11)
Can I?
Thank
Nikki Humphrey (31:23)
to explain and break down every single ingredient thing in order to convince people that we're the experts so then they should buy from us and not somebody else.
Hope Mangiafico (31:26)
It's.
Can I share just one very fine, it's very short, promise. Memory I have is us sitting, it's you, Liana, me. Watchin', listen to the nutritionists, they say something. At the same time, we lean forward and look at each other and we're like, that's it. And yeah, we skedaddle over to the nutrition, ask a nutritionist.
just my memory is so vivid on us leaning towards each other. And like, yeah, they know, they get what our brains are doing. They understand us. They understand that we just need to know more. ⁓ was such a vivid memory of mine. And again, Nikki, once I know I can say this once I was on that, you know, wheel, I had a hard time getting off of it.
Nikki Humphrey (32:24)
Yes.
Hope Mangiafico (32:25)
Because at that time I was not actively pursuing Jesus and so I became so afraid that if I didn't say the right thing, I would not make the sale. It actually didn't end up being anything about me helping other people physically feel better. It had everything to do with me.
Nikki Humphrey (32:44)
Yes. Yes, that I could do it, that I could succeed, that I could hit X goal in X amount of time. Same.
Hope Mangiafico (32:53)
And no matter how many times someone would say like it's to help people I could feel that disconnect which I think we could say that whether we are ⁓ receiving self-help or trying to give it out if you pause for a moment you can almost feel a tangible disconnect as if to something is missing here, but I don't know what it is. So I'm just gonna keep going and hope that it all just aligns and
The hole closes. That's what I did. But I always felt that disconnect where it just didn't feel good. And they said that I was blessing people and I was putting people first so then I must be.
Nikki Humphrey (33:23)
Yes.
Hope Mangiafico (33:36)
And when you get to that point...
Nikki Humphrey (33:37)
If I'm following the system, that must be the end
result because that's what they told us.
Hope Mangiafico (33:43)
Right, yeah, exactly. And you know what's so sad? As you just said, following the system, that's what they told us. The scariest part. The scariest part of all is you lose all concept of who you are. You obviously at that point don't really know who you are in Christ, but you lose any aspect of even comprehending.
your abilities.
the possibilities that God has for you. You fully have succumbed under whole other identity.
Nikki Humphrey (34:19)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
That's what makes it scary about self-help. Like that's what the word that was highlighted to me on my drive home was like self. You could be self-help, self-centered. All the self words are not great. When you think about it, it gives no glory to God.
Hope Mangiafico (34:38)
⁓ no, not at all, not at all. And all I'm thinking now as you're highlighting the word self is like, we truly take on another identity. We're either identify with Christ or we're identified with self.
And self is, at the end of the day, my personal thought is like, you know, rooted in having more alignment with Satan's kingdom than Jesus. And unfortunately that does kind of boil down to that simple.
Nikki Humphrey (35:09)
That is right.
It does.
Yeah, I just, all I'm hearing right now is like, you have to break down the altar of self because we treat it like an altar of where we worship ourself over God, scripture, everything else.
Hope Mangiafico (35:21)
⁓ yes.
Yeah, you're exactly right about the altars and what I see people use their sacred imagination just a massive sledgehammer and just shatter it.
That's it. And that brings your awareness to the forefront of what you need to focus on, which is staying away from that altar and building it back up.
Nikki Humphrey (35:51)
That's right. Yes, with God.
Hope Mangiafico (35:54)
Yes, yes, let him guide everything. That's actually after the Lord said, share what pursuing self-help did to me, he then wanted me to like share what God's help, which I did for me and how it was different, which I am still unlearning my many years of self-help mindset. Mind you, like it wasn't a flip of a switch when I said yes to Jesus. I know you could probably say the same.
But something that I love is that he tells me what I need and when so I can walk in true peace. And so we talked about shattering the altar and you're like, you know, walk with God moving forward. That's the beauty of God's help is he tells us when and what we need so that in truth we can actually walk with Jesus who is the Prince of Peace.
And that's been one of the hardest things for me to believe is I can actually have peace all the time. But I'm realizing if I stay in that alignment, I don't need to give my peace away. It's there for a reason. He's so good. He gives it. It's not irresponsible to have it when it feels like life is crazy. ⁓ That's who he is when you're on that healing journey.
Nikki Humphrey (37:12)
Hmm.
Yes.
are so good.
Hope Mangiafico (37:16)
And Nikki, I thought you would think this other part was kind of cool. ⁓
Hopefully I wrote it out where it like actually made sense, but I wrote that he uses all parts of me for seeing like all my parts as separate and seeing them as brokenness. He sees beauty where self-help sees not good enough.
Nikki Humphrey (37:36)
That's so good.
That's so good. It's almost like having a mirror where God sees us whole and we look in the mirror and we just see all the brokenness.
Hope Mangiafico (37:45)
Yeah,
like he doesn't see that shattered vessel. He sees the complete wholeness and he's like, wow, right where you are, you are so beautiful.
Nikki Humphrey (37:55)
and I'm gonna use it, and I'm gonna use it. And it's gonna be, I don't know, I just hear like, God's gonna use it and you're going to be so much more impactful than you ever thought you could by following anybody else. You're gonna have full healing, restoration, a quiet mind. You said like having that peaceful outlook, that peace in your heart.
Hope Mangiafico (38:12)
Yes.
Yeah.
Nikki Humphrey (38:24)
Like he's not holding anything back. But once again, like we said on previous episodes, we are the ones who get in the way of that. We get ⁓ in the way of God and it just stops our forward momentum and our progress. Like you said, we can muscle our way through,
Hope Mangiafico (38:33)
Yeah.
Nikki Humphrey (38:46)
but it's going to hurt. There's going to be a wounding. There's not going to be a healing.
Hope Mangiafico (38:52)
That's the truth. Yeah. Yeah, that's so good.
Nikki Humphrey (38:57)
And just as in the encouragement to everybody, go through your bookshelf. Get rid of those things.
Hope Mangiafico (39:02)
Hmm.
Yeah.
Nikki Humphrey (39:05)
that don't need to be there anymore. Pick them up, look at them, get your heart check. Ask, you know, we're all about questions. God, should I keep this book or donate it or throw it away? A lot of times with those, I mean, I hate to this out loud, but I just throw them away because I'm just like, it was no good for me. Like I don't really want to give anybody else that, because that's not the way.
Hope Mangiafico (39:06)
Yeah. you
I've done that too. It's like yeah, I feel the exact same way and and to be fully honest like Even even if like that's our approach I will say that some of the things that I throw out Because I don't feel like I'm supposed to know that them it doesn't mean they were bad necessarily But it was a heart check like you said that maybe I became too dependent on
that resource or it was a season where the Lord's like, hope you picked that book because you wanted the answer in that book. So I'm telling you to get rid of that book to remind you hope that I am the answer. Like the reason why doesn't mean it had new age bad teachings necessarily. It's just your heart posture towards it could have been wrong.
Nikki Humphrey (40:14)
Great.
Yes, I was going to say the exact same thing Hope didn't mean there wasn't fruit in there.
Hope Mangiafico (40:25)
Right.
Nikki Humphrey (40:26)
but when we become overly reliant on anything.
It's not good. It's not a good place to live. The only person you should be, only thing that you should be overly reliant on is God. Because he is consistent. He never changes. He loves us so much. He's got our best interest in mind. Those things are only things.
Hope Mangiafico (40:31)
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I can tell you something that I really appreciate this year about us reading the Bible in a year. Just recently, some of the New Testament readings have involved, I didn't know this existed, I'll be fully honest, that or I had forgotten, revisiting things of the Old Testament. So like about God showing up in Egypt or about how he did that. I mentioned this before on a previous episode, God showing up with Abraham and the covenant. I think that is so powerful.
that all those years passed and even then in the New Testament, they're still remembering to your point, he's reliable. He showed up then, he'll show up now. Let's go all in on him. That's definitely what Paul is saying in all these books, right? It's like, we're going all in. Jesus is the new way. This is it. And he was even in the Old Testament when God was doing all these things. Let's go all in on him.
It's so good, because, I mean, you fed into that so well, Nikki, of there's proof.
Nikki Humphrey (42:02)
And we need that reminder because when things smack us in the face and things don't work out, a lot of times still, I'm not going to God first, if I'm gonna be radically honest. I'm in myself first. I'm in my feelings first. I'm in my pity party first. I put on the victim mode. Even if it's not as long as it used to be, it's still, I have that issue with running straight to God.
Hope Mangiafico (42:29)
Even though his arms are open, right? Like he's like, and we're like, And you know, it goes both ways where it's like you can get in your feelings or you can also turn to self and say, what did I do wrong? Which goes back again to the last episode where I think it was the last episode where the Lord, you know, highlighted to me where it was like, hope you're not hearing me wrong. You're just learning. This isn't about hope.
It's about doing the Father's will on earth as it is in heaven. And I get to be a blessed vessel to get that done, but it is not about me. And I am saying that with more conviction than I ever have. Thank you, Lord, because I think I'm finally understanding it. Like real time, I'm like, hey God, I got it, I think.
Nikki Humphrey (42:58)
Yeah. Yes.
Hope Mangiafico (43:20)
It's hard to break the altar of self. And you'll continue to be fed it. You gave the example of social media, and how it seems like it's resurrecting, coming back. ⁓ It's been around since the beginning of time. It's not going anywhere. So you gotta be armored up.
to fight against it because that is what part of our armor is for because self is of the camp of the enemy, the powers of darkness.
Nikki Humphrey (43:52)
Yes.
Hope Mangiafico (43:54)
And I will say my last little thing. God knows exactly where he wants to take me and exactly what I can handle and when because he knows the end goal for me. It's personalized. And that is what is the most magnificent, wonderful thing about God help over self help. It is personalized to each of us individually. There is no course that was built just for Nikki or just for Hope or just for you as the listener.
But God personalizes every single part.
Nikki Humphrey (44:26)
like lightning going through my body right now.
That's it.
Hope Mangiafico (44:32)
It brings freedom.
Yeah, I feel that. It's like a delayed reaction on me because I'm like processing it of the weight.
Nikki Humphrey (44:40)
He created us. Yeah, he's got the
manual. He knows how we work best, how we learn best.
Hope Mangiafico (44:47)
But until, right,
but until we accept that it's personal, we hear that we've always heard that. But you know, sometimes I guess we really have to take the long road to understanding. Yeah, me too.
It's so beautiful.
every part of it.
He's such a good father.
Nikki Humphrey (45:12)
think that'll do it.
Hope Mangiafico (45:13)
Yeah, I think so too.
Nikki Humphrey (45:17)
Well, friends, you don't need a self-help plan. You need a savior. You don't need to fix yourself. You need to trust the one who already redeemed you. You don't need to do more. You need to abide more. God's help is not found on a shelf in the self-help aisle. It's found on your knees in surrender and in the loving arms of a father who says,
Hope Mangiafico (45:22)
Yeah ⁓
Mmm.
Nikki Humphrey (45:46)
I've got you and I've always had you.
Hope Mangiafico (45:49)
Mmm, that's so good. next time, we will see you in the overflow.
Nikki Humphrey (45:59)
the time.