Hi.
I'm Nikki.
And I'm Hope.
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I love it.
Every time I hear it, I love it.
You know, it, like, warms my heart.
And I'm, like, so grateful that the Lord gave you gave you that.
I just it could not summarize this whole thing any better.
And so anyways it warms my heart.
And I can't wait to see what the Lord brings today.
I know.
I can't either.
This is our first official episode one.
So that is something to be really excited about and the other day I was just running and I was talking to the lord about like, what should this episode be about? You know, because it's all Holy Spirit led.
It's not Hopin Nikki led.
But what dropped in my spirit was just clear the air.
And I'm just like, what do you mean? Like, just clear the air.
And what came after that was we are just two women born out of the world.
So we have made lots of worldly mistakes and choices.
And we are here just to take radical accountability for things that we may have done in the past.
That weren't godly that didn't show a strong faith or or walk with the lord or a line man of who we were made to be.
Right? Right.
Right.
And if you knew Hope or I from back then and are hear us now or look back on social media and see something to make you question, What we did.
We want you to know that we question those things ourselves.
We had to really spend time with the father and really repent for some of those things that we did in our past.
And so we don't wanna pretend that those things never took place.
Because they made us who we are now, and they helped strengthen our relationship with the father.
And I just want go ahead.
I would say it just it makes me think about what you shared, um, on the intro podcast of having no shame and no guilt, no condemnation.
And I just love how you just said that because without knowing the lord, the way we do now, we could not be, like, taking responsibility because you'd run from it.
Right.
Guilty of that as well.
Yeah.
Oh, for sure.
And just so you can kinda know like what I'm what I went through.
So I said I wrote in a little book.
I have same one Hope Hat shared.
Um it's a journal that I'm holding up right now and we have this same one and we both love it.
I said for me personally, I've not always walked closely with the lord.
For most of my life, I'm 51 now, so probably forty years of that life.
I was extremely depressed.
I lashed out to others, uh, to lessen the hurt I was feeling.
I was in perpetual victim mode.
All the time, all day every day.
Would self harm, I would self sabotage myself, I would drink to excess and make lots of choices than I would later regret.
In life.
And so just like Hope said, and I said in the intro.
There is no longer any shame or condemnation.
Like, I can say those words without feeling the ill effects that when I used to do those things, the depression, the guilt, the shame that would wash over me was crippling.
But like I said, I just wanna clear the air that I am not perfect.
You may I may have listed those things and you might be judging me right now, but it's okay because I sat down with my father.
I repented.
I asked for forgiveness.
I took his loving correction, and hope that I talk about loving correction, and I applied it to my daily walk.
Which is not perfect, but I'm working on it every day.
I can just, like, feel his redemption by hearing your story.
Gosh.
That was so well said.
And it's very interesting because just kind of to go off with what Nikki actually initially shared of, like, going on a run, and the Lord speaks to her when she runs.
Uh, we simultaneously, it seems got similar, almost said advice from the Holy Spirit, but sure.
We'll go on advice of what to talk about today.
And that was really cool.
And going from there, like, what the lord highlighted to me was a little different because I did not I don't have crazy stories of making poor decisions.
Uh, most people would have act that knew me thought I was a super goody two shoe and did all the right things, which is a result of a similar background as Nikki though.
That's the thing as they can manifest differently.
And now you talk about people judging you, Nikki.
Well, people judged me in a different light, yet it was still a lie.
It still wasn't my true identity.
And then I started trying to hold up that identity in all my wonderful ways.
So then I started just being good just because and I didn't want to.
That's also not good.
But when we we discussed kind of what we would talk about today, What came to mind and just even hearing your story, just me, my eyes water was when I ran ran into the father, that's what I'm gonna call it.
I had revelation of how angry of a person I was.
And the first thing I recall doing, now I don't know, you know, there could have been events before this.
But I had the same roommate for my freshman year of college through the year after.
So five years of living with this girl went to high school with her.
As well.
Um, she became one of my dearest friends.
I called her randomly.
And I said, I am so sorry.
For all that I brought into our homes, our apartments are duplexes.
We lived in, like, all the things.
I was a bad roommate.
And I didn't know it.
And and even thinking now, like, she loved me so well even in that brokenness.
And, um, she was a Christian.
And I share that because Sean and I, my husband, we were talking about my testimony.
I, um, it's, like, quick little backstory.
Like, my dad just passed recently.
And I knew that I wanted help writing my testimony.
So prior to him passing, I went to see a biblical counselor, which was amazing.
And I'm still seeing her.
She's become a dear dear mentor, really.
And I wanted help writing that testimony to be an honoring testimony that is truth with honor.
And Sean and I were speaking and talking about it, and he was like, hope it sounded like you wanted to be rescued out of every situation because I was victim up here versus a savior.
And I thought that was so good.
And that helped me just start, like, man, writing part of the story.
I'm I'm learning that every part of our life is a testimony.
So it's not this thirty second, um, elevator speech elevator.
That's hilarious.
It's it's like you run into someone.
They share something.
You're like, I can speak on that.
But I wanted holistically to, like, paint a picture of this journey kinda like what we're discussing today.
And I was like, wow, Sean, you're right.
Like, I was such a victim in everything that when something happened, rescue me, rescue me, rescue me.
I didn't wanna give my life over to a savior.
And so I would just make poor decisions moving fast through life just, again, trying to climb ladders, if you will, be the best at everything.
Um, and even in college, the reason I even share some of that backstory is people labeled me as a Christian.
I mean, I went to church.
I went to a couple different Christian groups at school.
Um, and I was so hungry for a rescuer.
But if you're not looking for a savior and to repent, understanding that you can't be a victim in these things because you're responsible for you once you're 18.
I'm sorry, but you can't be blaming your parents, your past, nothing.
It's all on you.
And I did not see that, but I just all the years, just wanting rescuing, like, almost I guess I'm envisioning this while I'm doing this, being just plucked right out of all my situations.
And That's not how it works.
He wants to save you forever from these things and to take you from glory to glory faith to faith.
And so I did some really stupid things in those times.
And I would I would say even hurtful, even though maybe people didn't realize it was hurtful because my heart wasn't good.
And that carried a lot of weight in my words, in my actions.
And you might know this, Nikki, or people listening may know this too.
Like, what's in your heart and this is scripture.
Right? It comes out.
So even if I was speaking okay, you could feel the anger behind the words.
You could feel the hurt.
And think if anyone's listening that knew me in the past, and again, you could probably say the same.
They probably could think of a specific situation, even if it was me gossiping or talking about a parent even.
Right? Like, not honoring an individual, and that was probably one of my biggest things is not honoring people.
And I guess really thinking speaking poorly about them would rescue me out of the situation because it's like, look at them.
Right? Let's not shine a light here.
So anyways, that's that's what came to mind is really my interactions with people.
Right.
It's just as you were talking, a question, popped in because I could relate and I answered the question.
Uh, you were speaking too.
It's like, do you think because you so wanted to portray good that you weren't opening your heart, but more like you were checking the boxes of, like, what made a good Christian.
Right.
Yeah.
I think that's definitely possible.
Um, and the way that I'm trying to think the way that looked.
Um, yeah, it's just my lifestyle holistically.
So it wasn't just checking the box in Christianity.
It was checking a box as a student.
It was checking a box as a daughter.
It was checking all the boxes and all people did was feed into that more.
Um, to the point that I began to have, you know, resentment and and things like that.
And the thing that's crazy and people can relate to this, I'm sure, is you don't realize you're just checking boxes.
Right.
And that's what's crazy is to your point of asking the question now.
Back then, I didn't I was blind to that.
I was volunteering at this church.
That was a small church, and I was going through those motions.
And I guess the positive of that, Nikki, is even though we were going through the the motions to check the boxes, it was enough of an open door to say I need you, lord.
So you didn't fully turn away.
Yes.
Oh, I feel that.
Yeah.
And I don't know if people realize that that it's okay that you feel your distance from you have a distance between the you and the father, and maybe you were really active in your faith at one time you've walked away.
The door is not shut.
As long as you're attempting anything, it can swing wide open.
Oh, it makes me think of worship song.
Um, that's one of my favorite.
The throne room song.
Highly recommend that song.
Um, and then you just start this journey just like Nikki and I have done.
And by having each other for accountability, we've not turned back.
Alright.
I feel like we just had a little, like, a little bud, a little seed that's grown.
And now it's, like, just blossoming and that's how we landed here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I just I feel like, for me, sounds like part of your story to hope and probably others, like, that striving component because I I had a perfectionism, like, complex too.
I mean, I listed all those things off of, like, my past, but how I presented myself in my professional realm, you know, how I presented myself in super in in different groups of people was super put together, super positive, super helpful, and I was just striving to, like, portray this good image of myself.
But on the weekends, I was doing all these bad behaviors.
Or in private, I was I was self deprecating and self loathing and self hating, and it was just like, when it's not in alignment with your heart, just like you said, hope people know.
We don't think that they know Seriously.
No.
I just feel like this was silly now, but it'd be like, God has worked it out.
Just like thinking I had it all put together that I was saying all the right things so people would be like, oh, look at Nikki.
Like, she's just x y and z, and I probably left them and they're like, she is a dumpster fight.
It is it is interesting to think, and I think that goes back to my thought about my roommate.
It's like, I was only fooling myself.
And somehow and and that's why I will always, like, honor her because she she saw I was a dumpster fire.
I'm sure because she heard the brokenness, um, and she cared.
And I'm so grateful for that, and I'm so glad that that veil was lifted off of my eyes.
And I could see see the the true colors of the pain Yeah.
So he could he could heal that.
Um, but you have to allow for that.
And I was thinking about you were just sharing for you.
And I guess it's kinda true for me too, but more so for you is you have a very competitive background? Which also makes it really difficult because you're always in this most humans, especially women, are in this comparative state.
But when you enter into, like, competitive sports or anything, it takes it next level.
And I don't know if you wanna, like, share on that at all, but it was just thinking about it.
And then how that bleeds over into how you and I both are personal trainers helping people, because I guess we think if we help others, it's gonna help us too, which some people say that is true, but it's only part of the I think it's only part of the puzzle.
Right? Um, or you could overdo it, which is what I think we did.
We were helping all the people, all the people.
I wanted my own business, help people with diabetes, I personal trained.
I did this.
I gave you this advice.
And that, yeah, that holistically was just perfectionism in a different different light.
So I don't know if you feel let or feel anything about that, but I was just thinking about your background and how much god's done in your life to overcome that background of competition.
Mhmm.
And I've seen it.
I this is one really big area I watched you break free of, and we'll see even with running.
Right? Um, it was it was hard to watch you mature out of that, but I I love it now when I hear you talk about running.
It has a different weight to it than it did, you know, years ago.
And I think that's so cool because that just shows healing that that bled into multiple areas of your life.
It it did.
And what's coming, but the lord is highlighting to me right now is like, I made running a god.
Like, I put it on such a big pedestal that my day would evolve how my run went that day.
So when I ran really well that day, like, my date was gonna be Zippity Duda.
If my run did not work out well, I would have not a good attitude going to the day.
My interactions with other people were not serving them well.
If I got hurt and hope knows this because she heard of, uh, like, I would break down because running was such a part of my identity of who I thought I was.
Like, I, my, at that point in time, my, uh, identity was not in alignment with the father.
My alignment was my identity was in alignment with what I did.
And that is a scary place to be because, like, Hope and I hope said, we were both trainers and we both work with people in the health and wellness space in so many times.
Those people's identity and wrapped up in their goals.
And who they wanted to be or what they wanted to look like or physical.
We're feeding the beast to him too.
Right.
I just got that revelation.
It's like Yes.
Because that's what I'm saying.
Like, our mindset was like, yes, if I'm a good runner, yes, if I'm placing top 10 in my of my the race or top five in my age group.
Like, I am great.
I am awesome.
And like the people were coming to us and be like, I wanna look like this and I want to reach this goal and we're like yes because I did it.
You can do it.
Like like you said feeding the beast and we're all into this making gods of things that aren't supposed they're idols in our lives, you know.
I'm I'm gonna make this comment because it's so on brand, um, who I am that I just have to make it.
I said feeding the beast.
What if the beast system is simply just doing everything that's out of alignment with god's will for you period? That is the beast system that everyone's so afraid of.
You need to be in alignment with the father.
Period.
And not need to, as in, like, get it right.
I don't wanna come across that way.
I don't have a religious background and being hurt by a church.
Nikki, on the other hand, has a different story, but I always wanna make sure I emphasize.
It's not that you need to because he absolutely is, like, demanding it, but I promise you it's the safest, best, most rewarding place to live in, and it's so good.
And I feel like as I stop making, running my idol, running my god, and as I was turning my life more over to god and working on my relationship with him and surrendering and letting us love or over me, the more I could see what I was doing to create running as a idol in my life.
And the more I could see my clients making their goals or their what they were striving to idols in their life, and that space felt really yucky to me, and that's why I had to exit that space because it just you can't make people give up an idol.
Hope tried to encourage me to give up running as an idol, but it's not until you come to that realization yourself where you are just like I was like, I couldn't believe I I I was in that space of making running an idol in my life to making that my guide to make that make my driving force of how my day was going to go.
And it's just like, god is so good and gracious because when you repent, when surrender when you allow him to take over.
It's life changing.
I love that you shared the little piece of, like, me telling you something and it not registering.
And it You've done the same to me.
Um, and I want to also carry that into anyone that's listening because you the whole thing that the Lord highlight to you about clearing the air and having things in your past is, like, I know I had been guilty, especially in the beginning of my walk with the lord, that when something was finally highlighted to me and I received it, I'm like, well, dang.
Nikki told me that two years ago.
And I I had to be careful not beating myself up.
And being okay that this is a journey and clearing the air and sharing that sharing our stories, I guess, is really trying to emphasize that it's a journey and being receiving his grace.
And by receiving his grace, you can be gracious and gentle with yourself.
And I think that's what we've grown in a ton and, like, still holding each other accountable.
And if there's something highlighted to me about Nikki or vice versa, gonna speak it if the lord tells me to speak it.
And if she shoots it down or I shoot it down, we know, okay.
Well, we did our part.
Now it's time that a seed was planted and due time that only the Holy Spirit knows.
She'll get her breakthrough.
It is no longer this makes me think about something I shared with you yesterday.
It's no longer my burden to carry that she is struggling with that or that I see it.
It's in god's hands now.
He loves her more than I could love her.
He's pursuing her.
He wants her alignment more than I want her alignment.
He wants his will to be done in her life.
He wants to bless her abundantly more than I ever could as a friend.
I do, you know, I try real hard to be a good friend, but it's nothing compared to the father taking care of you.
And then you release it.
Right.
And trust them.
And that is I literally I won't go into it, but I had a huge breakthrough in that just yesterday, uh, with Nikki.
And I had to immediately be like, I gotta talk this out.
Because if it comes up tomorrow, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be a mess, and she could feel the burden I was carrying, that was not my burden.
It was god's.
He's only the only one big enough to to carry some of these things that we carry around.
That often has shame attached to it, guilt, uh, responsibility that's not ours.
Just all of these things.
And, boy, I was tired the rest of the day, and that just showed how much that was weighing me down.
And I feel that as women, we feel so heavy so often because we're sensitive.
We have more emotions, whatever it may be, and we don't need to be that way.
We can have those gifts and the way god made us in a healthy way.
And I didn't know that was possible.
Um, and right now, I can honestly say that I gave my life fully to the lord in 2017, and that's Nicki and I are already friends then.
And we started this whole journey together of really being best friends and sisters and healing together side by side.
But I never felt physically well in ways that no one will ever know, and that's the other thing.
We all fight really silent battles, and sometimes the pain and difficulty and hardships will manifest in ugly ways to others.
Because you're breaking.
And and even after you receive Christ and you're like, hey, lord, I'm yours.
It doesn't get easier a lot of the times because now it's your it's it's your moment, your responsibility become free of whatever it may be that's weighing you down.
And so you have really hard days, and it will show up as yelling at your spouse despite you trying to look more like Christ and produce the fruits of the spirit.
And I say that because I would beat myself up a lot for not feeling well, which then only kept you on this nasty cycle.
And it has been this entire time from 2017 until I can confidently say January of this year, which is 2025.
Where I'm like, I have some energy.
Oh, I can do this.
Sean's home, and I wanna greet him.
And I say that because it's a physical part, but Nikki can attest to this to be extremely careful in your journey trying to separate the physical from the emotional or just like your soul and the spiritual because, um, they're all together.
And I'm so glad that we, uh, are no longer physically focused, like, we we both were at one time, but it's still important because obviously I wasn't feeling well.
Um, and so now that I'm feeling better, come January of twenty twenty five, It's really neat to see.
It wasn't because I started taking supplements, though they help.
It wasn't because I finally got my clean eating under control again.
It was because I was fully surrendering to god of saying, lord, just going back to the emotional and baggage crap.
I can tell I'm carrying things that I'm not supposed to be carrying, and it's wearing me out.
And I can't do this, but I don't know how to release it to you.
Show me how to release it.
And Nicki and I both can say we have learned to ask god questions and know that he speaks to you.
Know that it is not he is no person is exempt from his voice.
It says the sheep know my voice.
And if you said yes to Christ, he will speak to you.
And while you're journeying and it's looking ugly, trust that he will speak.
And as long as your heart is pursuing him, you will find that freedom that you're looking for, and not just that selfish freedom, it's the freedom he wants for you.
And I just am beginning to experience the depths of that.
Physically.
But since 2017, it's been soul work and spiritual work that now has led to physical in January 2025, '8 years later.
It takes time.
But I would not and I I won't Nikki if you feel like to share anything on this.
I would not trade a moment of it, even though you've heard some of my worst, Nikki, come out of me and frustrations.
Because that's why we love him so much.
I love him so much.
That even if January 2025 was not the time where I'm like, well, I've got some energy back.
I would be okay.
I'd still be working on being a better wife, being a good friend, and it would be hard.
But I know he didn't leave me.
He's not betraying me.
He's not leaving me out to hang and dry.
And that's all that matters.
And I feel like because we love god so much, we want everybody to experience what we do.
And I'm gonna speak for myself, but I think hope's done this too.
We want people to experience so much that we take responsibility of people, um, like, want them to experience what we did.
And so we I know I have made up my own personal mission to, like, I'm gonna do all these things, and I'll use my daughter as an example.
She's 12 to experience the love of Jesus like I do to be in locked up with god like I am? Like, what if she learns this at 12? And I'm just learning it at 51.
Right? And it's just like we can just And so I was forcing the issue on her.
And, like, when you force an issue on somebody, especially when you're 12 and you have hormones and everything, what what's the natural response? Reveliant.
Right? We've all we've all probably been there in some way, shape, or form in our teenage years.
And if you didn't, that's you you are god's special, anointing word out on you then.
But It was just we were fighting these battles and I was pushing and pushing and pushing and we've been having some issues at church because a lot of teenagers, queens, they don't like church is not their jam, right? And I get that.
We would be fighting in church and I would just be like, oh, just let the spirit come on you.
And this is like this past week, she just started a little bit.
She was marked better improvement from the weeks before, but she just started, let's say, popping off a little bit, and I just pray.
I'm like, god, Josephine is your daughter.
You know everything about her.
You knit her together in my womb.
I trust that you have your best interest in mind when it comes to her.
I give this entire situation over to you, lord.
I no longer wanna interfere with your relationship with her.
I want to step aside and fully surrender her over to you.
I and I said again, like, I trust in you.
That you will do all the right things for her.
And if she didn't pipe down, like, get, like, a vote, get it together right then, and it's just like, I've not only done that with her, but with my spouse and with some of my friends, and I'm just trying to like, do this, do that.
And it's like, the Lord's like, yes, you can help somebody on their journey, but you can't force it.
You can't intervene with my timing.
You have to have faith, Nikki, that I have control over these situations.
You don't have to have control over these situations.
What you just shared about having faith that he has it is so incredibly big.
And I want to also speak to anyone that's been in the Christian space at all.
And I'm thinking about what we've both just shared.
That taking personal responsibility for people.
Sometimes Christians believe that's their role.
Right? You get saved.
You gotta tell the whole world, and you gotta make sure they get it.
And there is a forcefulness behind it because you've you've misinterpreted or been mistaught.
That's the right word, um, about what your role is.
And then all would have it die hard.
And it takes a very long time to understand it.
As Nicki said, you know, her her daughter's 12, And so clearly, she's had twelve years of parenting so far.
And this happened last weekend or something.
Yeah.
And I so I've known Nikki for most of I've known you most of your daughter's life.
And we're now entering a big season of her life where it's a whole new stage and watching you parent it.
And you had that that you just shared this past week.
And what when you and I touched base throughout the week, you've slowly been understanding that more and more where you're in church and maybe she was just, like, doing, you know, arm props and, uh, and in the chair.
And you're like, lord, she's yours.
She's yours.
That's the first step.
Because he is father.
He is creator.
And we we I pray that we all can understand, especially women who tend to take care of all the people.
Right? God made again, made us very nurturing.
But you have to be careful of that line.
Yes.
Because you will delay his breakthrough for anybody if you cross it because you are not god.
That's right.
You love him and just be careful of, yeah, towing right over that line and replacing him.
And I have I just recently over the past.
I almost six months had my own revelation on that.
And I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, wanna do that again.
Oh, for so many reasons.
Right? That's true.
And, you know, we been in situations where big or small and people listening probably have where you felt like somebody was trying to force you to make a decision or choose a path or believe a certain way, and it never feels good.
And I think we're learning that, yes, we want other people to come to Christ.
We wanna spread what god has done to us.
We want to expose people to the goodness of god and his grace and his his redemptive qualities.
But we wanna deliver it in a way where it's not harsh or judgmental.
We want to.
I think that's didn't finish that sentence because what popped in my head, like, that's the whole reason we created this podcast.
Was just to share our journey and things that helped us and sharing our progression as time rolls on.
You know, it makes me wonder.
I am not I'm not as well versed as Nicki is and, podcasts in general.
But as I'm thinking about podcasts I've listened to, um, that are Christian based.
I am really only thinking of one.
They have a largely That's probably not the right term to describe what I'm trying to say.
They grew up in the church, a very strong Christian faith of families that did it right.
Quono quote.
No one's perfect.
And it just makes me wonder if what we're presenting to the world through our friendship.
Um, or I like to use the word family ship a lot of times when it's, like, become such an intimate relationship of people that truly maybe, you know, you grew up in a certain kind of church, but you had a lot of stuff happen to you in life and later much later come to him with a lot of stories that cover such a such a broad spectrum, I guess, of situation instead of just like, man, this girl was gossiping about me and how I handled it because I love Jesus or, like, I was judging this person.
We got those too.
But, like, we have I feel like a very unique set of examples because I was just telling someone this, yeah, sure day or this morning.
I'm trying to remember because I've been telling people more of the excitement of what Nikki and I, like, lord put on our hearts and just how much we've been through.
And it's not to shame a single person that maybe did something to us.
It is not, again, to become victim.
We we we did that for a very long time, um, at each other as well, like, just sharing our victim selves to each other.
Uh, but it truly is to just show how good he is and how he uses Romans eight twenty eight that he works all things for good.
And I I don't know.
I guess I'm just sharing that because it might there might be podcast out there like this.
Um, but sometimes I wonder because I find that a lot of people have more of a Christian background than we do.
Yeah.
And a cleaner background.
And I'm eager.
I'm just I'm just eager.
It just excites me to to see, um, what god does and and to bring comfort.
To women that feel so isolated.
Um, because we are so familiar with that isolation, uh, in different scenarios of life.
Uh, and I don't know.
It just it excites me to think about every single thing that can bring comfort.
Through our experiences that god the key here that god brought us through.
That's right.
That's right.
It really makes me get back to, like, what god was revealing just about grace.
And When we think about our backgrounds and everything that we've gone through and what we did in the past and where we're at now and we never wanna stop learning.
We never want to stop seeking god or enhancing our relationship.
But it's when god's grace was poured over us, and we finally accepted it.
It.
That's when things started to change.
And for those of you who don't know what god's grace is, it's his unearned freely given favor.
Mercy and love bestowed upon humanity enabling salvation and spiritual growth.
So we don't earn it.
We don't have to strive for it.
We don't have to do the checklist of things of being a a good Christian.
He just gives it to us.
And when I finally could break through that barrier that I had to be clean and new and whole to to experience that, that I didn't need that, that I could just show up how I I was broken and just in pain and at my wit's end and just being as presence, the grace is there.
And to compliment that definition, two years ago, I took a course on grace.
And that is absolutely the first definition and the second one to compliment that that just it moved me so much.
It complements exactly what you just shared to about stepping into it is the other definition is the divine influence on the heart.
Devine influence means it's absolutely not dependent on him.
It's all on him.
And that set me again, their levels here.
We're talking about the onion again because that was two years ago.
And I'm just now, like, still, like, truly sitting in that truth.
It's his influence on my heart.
Nothing that I do.
And I loved that.
And then it that compliments the unmerited favor and everything, but It's his influence right here.
And I love that so much.
Love that too.
I love that too.
And today, I think I just wanna close with ephesians two, eight through nine came on my my heart when I was journaling yesterday.
That's about grace.
It says, for it is by grace, you have been saved through faith.
And this is not from yourselves.
It is it the gift of god, not by works so that no one can boast.
Perfect.
Perfect compliment of of what grace is.
And grace is how we clear the air.
I love it.
We live in that now.
Yeah.
And we think any person that may have known us in the past for listening to us now.
Despite what you may have seen in the past, um, there's so much gratitude.
Yeah.
I can't wait till next time.
And if you have any questions that came up for you during this episode, just please reach out and let us know, and we are happy to continue to clear the air with all of you.
Absolutely.
So now it's time
